2 Qualms with the loss

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

The one and only coaching call I didnt like was the feild goal of 50 yards. I said before the play started that we should either go for it, or punt it away. Again like you said hindsight is 20/20, but that was one that I really didnt like before and after the fact. I mean, were going to have bad plays/calls every game, so it is what it is. They're a very good football team...that was the type of effort I wanted to see against New England.

Well I would disagree, I would much rather see a FG attempt than a punt. But to mean the logical choice is to go for it, because of the attitude I think we should have come in with.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by hooskins

2)Giving up FOUR long bombs to TO, 3 of them were pretty much the exact same play. I realize ST wasn't there and all, but GW is a smart man and our players are decent enough to not get beat by the same player the same way 3 times. I really wouldn't mind Witten or Crayton getting a big TD over the middle, but you can't leave TO that open so many times. This really falls on GW. I am sure with ST back that will be less of an issue, but still it is unacceptable.

Point two really hurts me just because I know GW is better than that. On a whole I am just hurt because I know we could have won the game. My hat is off to JC for an awesome game and for Saunders/Gibbs for growing a pair and letting JC do more in the offense. We should run no-huddle more in beginning of the game.


Also please NO Debbie-downers. I do not mean for this to be a pessimistic thread. No "Gibbs/GW should be fired" "we suck" etc etc. And if you want to mention another point, just back it up. I will negative reputation the hell out of you guys if you ruin this thread by being pessimistic and posting crap . That is all.

In addition, they said on the air that Gregg Williams stressed taking away TO. If that's his idea of taking a player away...I'm not sure what to say.

I, personally, don't feel that Gregg Williams should be the next head coach of this team. I'm not sure that he should be the D Coordinator next year. I think he's overrated. He came up with terrible gameplans today, against the Pats and against the Eagles. I don't like the way he deploys his defense and I think they've been garbage the last few weeks because of him.

[killromo]

Everybody played well except for the secondary. As far as the field goal on 4th and 1 goes, it had the distance and was just barely wide left. Gibbs was testing Suisham to see what he had in case the game came down to a long field goal situation, and he proved he has the leg and was only about 1 yard wide. In hindsight I would have loved to see them go for it, but at the time wasn't a bad call.
No player should ever get 4 td's on us. Shawn Springs looked ridiculous out there, and we should have just played without a safety at all on that side and it would have been the same outcome. But overall the rest of the team played VERY WELL, JC was pretty damn good, Santana is back, marion Barber didnt even have 40 yards and he is one of the toughest runners to bring down. They just exploited our weakness as much as they could and they won because of it. We are stronger for it though. Let's get ready for a tough tampa bay team next week and put oursleves in position so that next time Dallas is around on Dec. 30th the game means something, like playoffs!!

[hagams]

I don't know how to judge the game. We played some really good football today and had a couple of chances to hit them when they were down and didn't. The 4th and 1 was a no-brainer for me, we should have went for it.
ST in the game equals TO having half the numbers he had. Plain and simple.

[jamf]

Let me add my 2:

Samuels played the worst of the 5 linemen. Overall, they did enough to win but samuels getting beat really cost us.


Campbell was good, Unfortunately he is never good enough in the clutch. If only he had hit moss in the end zone. It seems like every loss there is an open WR that he misses.


We could've pulled this one out

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by jamf

Let me add my 2:

Samuels played the worst of the 5 linemen. Overall, they did enough to win but samuels getting beat really cost us.


Campbell was good, Unfortunately he is never good enough in the clutch. If only he had hit moss in the end zone. It seems like every loss there is an open WR that he misses.


We could've pulled this one out

Agree about Samuels, but they need to give him more help than that, in my opinion. D. Ware is way too good for that.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Agree about Samuels, but they need to give him more help than that, in my opinion. D. Ware is way too good for that.

Yea same here, but at the same time perhaps our receivers might not have been so open if we left one more back. Basically maybe JC needed more options to find someone open.

[mheisig]

You all DO realize that we had 50% backups in our secondary and were playing against one of THE premier wide receivers in the modern era of football?

I hate TO with all my heart and would love nothing more than to see him get drilled into next Tuesday coming across the field, but you can't argue with the guys stats and career. He's climbing the list of all-time TD and his physical skills are tops NFL history.

We had one decent (usually) starting CB in Springs, a backup CB in Smoot, a rookie safety in Landry who's strength isn't coverage and a backup safety in Prioleau.

Yes, they got lit up by Romo and TO. It's pretty damn amazing that it wasn't worse, all things considered.

You take a hodge-podge, banged-up, cobbled-together secondary and ask them to blanket one of the top 5 WRs in the game and I think we got what is to be expected. No amount of scheming is going to make up for just not having the talent to shut TO down.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by mheisig

You all DO realize that we had 50% backups in our secondary and were playing against one of THE premier wide receivers in the modern era of football?

I hate TO with all my heart and would love nothing more than to see him get drilled into next Tuesday coming across the field, but you can't argue with the guys stats and career. He's climbing the list of all-time TD and his physical skills are tops NFL history.

We had one decent (usually) starting CB in Springs, a backup CB in Smoot, a rookie safety in Landry who's strength isn't coverage and a backup safety in Prioleau.

Yes, they got lit up by Romo and TO. It's pretty damn amazing that it wasn't worse, all things considered.

You take a hodge-podge, banged-up, cobbled-together secondary and ask them to blanket one of the top 5 WRs in the game and I think we got what is to be expected. No amount of scheming is going to make up for just not having the talent to shut TO down.

You honestly thought prior to the game, based on our talent, that TO would score 4 TDs(all long bombs)? And three of those being nearly the same exact play? Also when the emphasis from GW was to minimize his production?

I suspect the answer is no.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by hooskins

You honestly thought prior to the game, based on our talent, that TO would score 4 TDs(all long bombs)? And three of those being nearly the same exact play? Also when the emphasis from GW was to minimize his production?

I suspect the answer is no.

No, I never made a prediction that TO would score 4 TDs - and to nitpick, only 3 were long bombs, his first was a 7 yarder.

I didn't expect a lot of things, but does TO getting the numbers that he did surprise me? Of course not. It makes perfect sense if you look at our situation, regardless of what anyone expected/predicted/hoped/whatever going into the game.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Agree about Samuels, but they need to give him more help than that, in my opinion. D. Ware is way too good for that.

For me dude, I'd rather take a sack or two and have the offense opened up like it is. The offense looks amazing today. Two turnovers in the red zone? We could easily have had 35 points.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

For me dude, I'd rather take a sack or two and have the offense opened up like it is. The offense looks amazing today. Two turnovers in the red zone? We could easily have had 35 points.

Well I agree with that too. In addition, it seemed like most of the plays Ware had, he was guessing the Snap count pretty well and getting ahead of the play by just a hair (which is all you need in the NFL), so we might want to change up the snap count in the future.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Agree about Samuels, but they need to give him more help than that, in my opinion. D. Ware is way too good for that.

Samuels is good but not good enough to stop Ware the whole game without help. Not his fault, just reality. Of four bombs to TO, three involved mental errors and one was caused by a missed tackle. The secondary played a bad game-- worse than expected, even without Taylor. The pass interference play was also a brain-dead play and the 50 yard FG attempt on fourth and one was just as stupid, as was the FG after second failing to go for seven on fourth and one. It was also a mistake not to pass on third and three, which set up the bad decision to go for a field goal.

Conclusions:

We lost this one between the ears, the place where we have lost most of our games this year and made others close that should have been easy wins.

Even with Taylor, our defense needs help. We need a proven CB of quality and two defensive linemen, including a DE.

Gibbs and Co. should totally forget about Redskin Football and play Campbell Football. If Campbell had played more last year and Gibbs had turned him loose at the start of this one, we'd now be at least 8-2.

Drafting a WR is not a top priority. Using the ones we have is.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by jamf

Let me add my 2:

Samuels played the worst of the 5 linemen. Overall, they did enough to win but samuels getting beat really cost us.


Campbell was good, Unfortunately he is never good enough in the clutch. If only he had hit moss in the end zone. It seems like every loss there is an open WR that he misses.


We could've pulled this one out

Several of the times Samuels was beat it was JC's fault. Snap count was too rythmic and the D was getting off the line before the snap. It's nearly impossible to block a speed rusher who is parrallel with you when you start back.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by jamf

Campbell was good, Unfortunately he is never good enough in the clutch. If only he had hit moss in the end zone. It seems like every loss there is an open WR that he misses.

He also hits receivers that drop balls. The pass to Cooley late in the game was a bit low, but it hit both of Cooley's hands and he didn't hang on. And the pass to Moss was just slightly off. If the same exact pass was thrown to TO, Randy Moss, Plaxico, Andre Johnson, etc., then it's a touchdown, but Washington doesn't believe in receivers that are over six feet tall.