Who called the 2nd timeout?

jsarno · 12-02-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I can't imagine what Gibbs must be going through right now. He's asked to guide the team all week, an extraorindarily difficult day, and then it all slips away on a mental gaffe of Gibbs.

It's a real shame. I hope they can all bounce back next week. But Gibbs must know that he can't do anything good. He obviously can't go out and make a play on the field. If it's a great playcall, credit goes to Saunders. He himself is in an unwinnable situation. Has been since the day he walked back into Redskins Park in 2004.

I completely disagree with this. When we were 2-0 everyone was talking about how Gibbs put the pieces together and we were headed in the right direction. When everyone was talking playoffs, they all said it was Gibbs doing. He got all the credit for wins, and more than enough credit for the losses.

GMScud · 12-02-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

For as much as I hate to agree with those comments, I have no choice BUT to agree. I hate to admit it, but sometimes you have to.

Yeah, trust me, it gives me so pleasure to make those comments. It just sucks. What a shitty week, what a shitty end to a shitty week. I can't believe we have to play again on Thursday. I feel so, so bad for our entire organization right now.

SmootSmack · 12-02-2007, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

I completely disagree with this. When we were 2-0 everyone was talking about how Gibbs put the pieces together and we were headed in the right direction. When everyone was talking playoffs, they all said it was Gibbs doing. He got all the credit for wins, and more than enough credit for the losses.

I would hope that he'd get credit for building the team for the long term. But I just think that way way way more often than not he only gets blame when it comes to coaching in the here and now.

jsarno · 12-02-2007, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I would hope that he'd get credit for building the team for the long term. But I just think that way way way more often than not he only gets blame when it comes to coaching in the here and now.

Well, that is true cause we're losing now. It's like any team that loses, who is the 1st scapegoat? It's always the head coach. Look at Cam Cameron in Miami, it's not really his fault he's winless, his team sucks. But he gets a lot of blame. If Gibbs wins 4 straight, it will all go away. People are just tired of losing, so Gibbs is the first to be put in front of the firing range. That's the way he wants it too.

SmootSmack · 12-02-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, that is true cause we're losing now. It's like any team that loses, who is the 1st scapegoat? It's always the head coach. Look at Cam Cameron in Miami, it's not really his fault he's winless, his team sucks. But he gets a lot of blame. If Gibbs wins 4 straight, it will all go away. People are just tired of losing, so Gibbs is the first to be put in front of the firing range. That's the way he wants it too.

Let me ask you this though. Had he won the game do you think we'd be praising Gibbs for keeping the team together and leading us to victory? By and large I would say no. I would say even if it had come down to a final missed field goal, we would hear about how he nearly blew it.

jsarno · 12-02-2007, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Let me ask you this though. Had he won the game do you think we'd be praising Gibbs for keeping the team together and leading us to victory? By and large I would say no. I would say even if it had come down to a final missed field goal, we would hear about how he nearly blew it.

Depends on how we won. If everything was the same and it was a botched Lindell FG, then I think you're right, but only cause we did blow it. Had we scored 1 td instead of FG on those FG's, then I think Gibbs would have gotten the credit for keeping the team together. The chips were already stacked against us. I do not recall a player EVER in the NFL dieing like this that meant more to their team. We are in uncharted waters, so if we won, Gibbs would have gotten a lot of credit.

SmootSmack · 12-03-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

If Gibbs didn't know the rule...what aboy 60+ playeys, Coaches and staff?

I think he just lost track of the fact that it's actually a penalty. That's only changed in the past couple of years. In the past, you were just told no you can't call timeout

skinsfan69 · 12-03-2007, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It really only bothers me when people want to dismiss 2005 when those same people aren't quick to dimsiss our free agent moves in 2000 for example.

As for Gibbs, stupid mistake. He knows it, you know it, I know it. But I am not going to apologize for being a fan of his, and wanting him to stay as long as he wants to stay. In all honesty, he probably never should have come back in the first place. There's nothing he really could have done to improve his image with the fans. He had nowhere to go reputation wise but down. I believe we have the makings of a great QB who is going to lead us to great things long after Gibbs is gone. But no one will ever be appreciative of Gibbs for that.

I am a fan of his too. I love the guy. But as a NFL coach in his 2nd go around he is just not getting the job done. It's as simple as that. I kind of wish he would step down at the end of this year. He doesn't need this. But today I can't blame anybody. I can't imagine what it would have been like to take the field and play a football game today. I give everyone a pass for the rest of this season. It's just a horrible year.

SmootSmack · 12-03-2007, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I am a fan of his too. I love the guy. But as a NFL coach in his 2nd go around he is just not getting the job done. It's as simple as that. I kind of wish he would step down at the end of this year. He doesn't need this. But today I can't blame anybody. I can't imagine what it would have been like to take the field and play a football game today. I give everyone a pass for the rest of this season. It's just a horrible year.

And that's the thing. You hit it right on the head. He doesn't need this. It's part of why I'm torn about wanting him back. It's purely selfish. I love the man and love that he's a part of the organization but he deserves to relax, and be with his family and his sick grandchild. He owes us nothing.

Luxorreb · 12-03-2007, 01:05 AM

It is unfair to blame this loss on Gibbs.
Sure a mistake might have led to the loss, but that mistake happened many, many times by many people on the Redskins today. The OL gave up 2pts and didn't give Portis or JC much time or help in trying to put up points.
The defense under horrible circumstance held the Bills with no TDs.
Before people call for the head of Joe Gibbs perhpas they should step back and look at the big picture. Gibbs is not the problem, but I still believe he'll be a huge part of the solution.

RedskinPete · 12-03-2007, 03:34 AM

Time out or not sorry but Gibbs is our hope. He is just like us. This hole ST thing has us all not on the right page. This team needs to look at out O and D lines! That is where all good or great teams started. We have a few nice players but most are other teams left overs! We also need to get young good players and stay away from the older player looking for that last kill pay day!

djnemo65 · 12-03-2007, 05:24 AM

I feel for Gibbs, but that has got to be one of the absolute dumbest things I have ever seen. I'm sorry, I know it's an emotional day, but in a season filled with clock management failures this is the low point. Everybody knows that rule. I just can't believe it.

Yeah we should have stopped them, moved the ball in the second half, scored TD's not FG's in the first, fine fine fine. But to not understand that rule, to make that mistake with the whole season on the line, is simply inexcusable.

djnemo65 · 12-03-2007, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I can't imagine what Gibbs must be going through right now. He's asked to guide the team all week, an extraorindarily difficult day, and then it all slips away on a mental gaffe of Gibbs.

It's a real shame. I hope they can all bounce back next week. But Gibbs must know that he can't do anything good. He obviously can't go out and make a play on the field. If it's a great playcall, credit goes to Saunders. He himself is in an unwinnable situation. Has been since the day he walked back into Redskins Park in 2004.

I disagree with you SS. While I think the national media can be dismissive, the DC media is incredibly sympathetic, as are the fans. The expectation when he walked through that door in 2004 was championship, nothing less. Gibbs knew that and welcomed that challenge. Unfair? Perhaps, but in the parity-driven NFL that's the expectation for all 32 teams and their head coaches - who are generally fired after year 3 if the team does not appear to be on at least a championship track. Well here we are year 4 and we're not, in my opinion, close to that standard. He's a good, solid, decent man, and some part of me hurts to see him attacked. But in the NFL that's what you risk when you wear the crown. For a shot at the sweetest glory you expose yourself to ridicule and worse if you fail.

And I'm sorry, he's failing.

bedlamVR · 12-03-2007, 07:11 AM

Okay I am going to admitt for a minute after the game I felt the same way as the majority here i said to my wife "i don't know how the team dares to wear the 21 patch they were an insult to his name"
Then I thought ... just a second, and I felt how the team must be fealing. In the post game PC Smoot who i thought played a blinder of a game being real physical and tras:h talking said

"sometimes i cried when I looked back at the safety possition not seeing Sean there"

And that has to tell you something about the way the team was playing . They have to bury not only a teamate but a friend tomorrow and yes it would have been great to 'win the game for Sean' but would that have brought him back ... in the bigger picture it is just a game .

bedlamVR · 12-03-2007, 07:25 AM

Also from the post today :

washingtonpost.com

"Unsure about the rules regarding the use of timeouts in an attempt to "freeze" a place kicker, Gibbs said he consulted an official along the sideline, asking whether he could call another timeout after the one he had used a moment earlier, before Buffalo's Rian Lindell sent the ball through the uprights from 51 yards away. Regardless of what the official told Gibbs, his decision to call consecutive timeouts in that situation led to a 15-yard penalty. "

12-03-2007, 01:05 AM	#85
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 53 Posts: 1,630	Re: Who called the 2nd timeout? It is unfair to blame this loss on Gibbs. Sure a mistake might have led to the loss, but that mistake happened many, many times by many people on the Redskins today. The OL gave up 2pts and didn't give Portis or JC much time or help in trying to put up points. The defense under horrible circumstance held the Bills with no TDs. Before people call for the head of Joe Gibbs perhpas they should step back and look at the big picture. Gibbs is not the problem, but I still believe he'll be a huge part of the solution. __________________ ^21^

12-03-2007, 03:34 AM	#86
RedskinPete The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Camino,Ca Posts: 1,174	Re: Who called the 2nd timeout? Time out or not sorry but Gibbs is our hope. He is just like us. This hole ST thing has us all not on the right page. This team needs to look at out O and D lines! That is where all good or great teams started. We have a few nice players but most are other teams left overs! We also need to get young good players and stay away from the older player looking for that last kill pay day!

12-03-2007, 05:24 AM	#87
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Who called the 2nd timeout? I feel for Gibbs, but that has got to be one of the absolute dumbest things I have ever seen. I'm sorry, I know it's an emotional day, but in a season filled with clock management failures this is the low point. Everybody knows that rule. I just can't believe it. Yeah we should have stopped them, moved the ball in the second half, scored TD's not FG's in the first, fine fine fine. But to not understand that rule, to make that mistake with the whole season on the line, is simply inexcusable.

12-03-2007, 07:11 AM	#89
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	Re: Who called the 2nd timeout? Okay I am going to admitt for a minute after the game I felt the same way as the majority here i said to my wife "i don't know how the team dares to wear the 21 patch they were an insult to his name" Then I thought ... just a second, and I felt how the team must be fealing. In the post game PC Smoot who i thought played a blinder of a game being real physical and tras:h talking said "sometimes i cried when I looked back at the safety possition not seeing Sean there" And that has to tell you something about the way the team was playing . They have to bury not only a teamate but a friend tomorrow and yes it would have been great to 'win the game for Sean' but would that have brought him back ... in the bigger picture it is just a game .

12-03-2007, 07:25 AM	#90
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	Re: Who called the 2nd timeout? Also from the post today : washingtonpost.com "Unsure about the rules regarding the use of timeouts in an attempt to "freeze" a place kicker, Gibbs said he consulted an official along the sideline, asking whether he could call another timeout after the one he had used a moment earlier, before Buffalo's Rian Lindell sent the ball through the uprights from 51 yards away. Regardless of what the official told Gibbs, his decision to call consecutive timeouts in that situation led to a 15-yard penalty. "

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