Chris Henry Charged with Assault; Waived by Bengals

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by jsarno

It just brings me back to a south park quote (yes all life's problems can be related to a south park quote)

"25% of all people are retards."

Henry is in that 25%.

Someone started a thread on this at that other forum.

"Bengals released Henry today per espn.com. I know the guy has a bit of a past, (ok, a horrendous past) but he's only 24, and 6-4 with talent.... just the type of big receiver we need, i say we go after him."

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Someone started a thread on this at that other forum.

"Bengals released Henry today per espn.com. I know the guy has a bit of a past, (ok, a horrendous past) but he's only 24, and 6-4 with talent.... just the type of big receiver we need, i say we go after him."

Absolutely no way! He's looking at another suspension this year and will probably screw up again before the season even starts.

[#56fanatic]

Being a huge WVU fan as well i watched this kid play college football and he was just as big a screw up there but it was always pushed under the rug. I saw a number of games where he would go off on coaches, act like a jerk on sidelines, he gave the finger to a group of fans behind the bench, then had to physically be dragged off the field by players. but, he was back in the lineup next week after a statement release "i am sorry for acting like a....." which was probably written by Rich Rod. no way this jackass should play in the NFL. he is a fool. he will end up in jail before the end of the season.

my second statement - I have seen all around the league of players getting in trouble, or players holding out because of the "me want more money" or bad mouthing the franchise. One thing I am so glad we have done in the last 4 years is to go out and get good character guys. We have to be one of the best franchises in the NFL for having high quality guys on and off the field. We may not be the best on field franchise (yet) but we certainly are on if not the best off field franchises. That goes to all the guys up stairs (Joe, Vinny, and Dan) good job!

[KB24]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

my second statement - I have seen all around the league of players getting in trouble, or players holding out because of the "me want more money" or bad mouthing the franchise. One thing I am so glad we have done in the last 4 years is to go out and get good character guys. We have to be one of the best franchises in the NFL for having high quality guys on and off the field. We may not be the best on field franchise (yet) but we certainly are on if not the best off field franchises. That goes to all the guys up stairs (Joe, Vinny, and Dan) good job!

I pray this continues when the Chad Johnson Clown Show finally ends its run in Cincy.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Someone started a thread on this at that other forum.

"Bengals released Henry today per espn.com. I know the guy has a bit of a past, (ok, a horrendous past) but he's only 24, and 6-4 with talent.... just the type of big receiver we need, i say we go after him."

If he's 100% innocent ( which I doubt ) then why wouldn't we take a look at this guy??

[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If he's 100% innocent ( which I doubt ) then why wouldn't we take a look at this guy??

I can't see why not. If the charges are dropped because its some 18 year old trying to get paid the skins would have to consider signing him to an INCENTIVE LADEN CONTRACT WHICH WOULD BE VOIDED IF HE F'D UP AGAIN. No offense guys, but you don't have to be a saint to be a good football player, Dexter Manley was one hell of a Redskin, John Riggins would have been arrested just as many times if athletes were under the same microscope back when he played.

He's definiterly a better option at WR then Mix and could save us from using a high draft pick on a WR. He'll also come extremely cheap right now

Look around the league. A lot of great WR have issues whether it's personality or with the law. When the Pats signed Moss last year I bet most of you said he would single handedly destroy the Pats and that it was a bad move. Well it turned out he needed a change of scenery and he wsn't such a bad guy after all. What if the charges are dropped, Henry signs with the Eagles or Cowboys and goes to the pro bowl next year? Would you still think it was the smart thing to stay away from him?

[lwiedy]

Originally Posted by DGreene28

I can't see why not. If the charges are dropped because its some 18 year old trying to get paid the skins would have to consider signing him to a INCENTIVE LADEN CONTRACT WHICH WOULD BE VOIDED IF HE F'D UP AGAIN. No offense guys, but you don't have to be a saint to be a good football player, Dexter Manley was one hell of a Redskin, John Riggins would have been arrested just as many times if athletes were under the same microscope back when he played.

He's definiterly a better option at WR then Mix and could save us from using a high draft pick on a WR. He'll also come extremely cheap right now

Look around the league. A lot of great WR have issues whether it's personality or with the law. When the Pats signed Moss last year I bet most of you said he would single handedly destroy the Pats and that it was a bad move. Well it turned out he needed a change of scenery and he wsn't such a bad guy after all. What if the charges are dropped, Henry signs with the Eagles or Cowboys and goes to the pro bowl next year? Would you still think it was the smart thing to stay away from him?

"action without vision is a nightmare". Signing a guy like Henry is action without vision. We need something, so this is what is in front of you and you react.

This notion that nothing is lost if he screws up is losing sight that if in fact another player comes along that would be a better fit, you've already cast your lot to the devil (so to speak). Then he screws up (and he will screw up) and now your back to square one.

Use your Manley example, sure we got a lot out of him, but we needed him in 1988 & 89 and where was he? We had great teams that came up short because a guy like Manley left us high (no pun intended) and dry. When we replaced him, we (with essentially the same team) returned to the playoffs.

Those who do not learn from thier mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by lwiedy

"action without vision is a nightmare". Signing a guy like Henry is action without vision. We need something, so this is what is in front of you and you react.

This notion that nothing is lost if he screws up is losing sight that if in fact another player comes along that would be a better fit, you've already cast your lot to the devil (so to speak). Then he screws up (and he will screw up) and now your back to square one.

Use your Manley example, sure we got a lot out of him, but we needed him in 1988 & 89 and where was he? We had great teams that came up short because a guy like Manley left us high (no pun intended) and dry. When we replaced him, we (with essentially the same team) returned to the playoffs.

If you can replace a guy like that with someone better then of course. But what about hwen you have a great athlete and you cant replace him with another great athlete that doesnt get into trouble?

The Eagles have nice guys at receiver now...they just arent any good...
How are the Vikings receivers after they cut Moss for walking off the field and stuff?....
Tank Johnson? hasnt caused problems in dallas and is a great player
Albert Haynesworth? best in the league at his position...

Even Chris Henry- the passing attack wasnt as good with him gone, and thats having two better guys in front of him. He was an integral part of that offense...

Anygry guys make good football players, bad citizens, but great football players...
Those who do not learn from thier mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

[lwiedy]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

If you can replace a guy like that with someone better then of course. But what about hwen you have a great athlete and you cant replace him with another great athlete that doesnt get into trouble?

The Eagles have nice guys at receiver now...they just arent any good...
How are the Vikings receivers after they cut Moss for walking off the field and stuff?....
Tank Johnson? hasnt caused problems in dallas and is a great player
Albert Haynesworth? best in the league at his position...

Even Chris Henry- the passing attack wasnt as good with him gone, and thats having two better guys in front of him. He was an integral part of that offense...

Anygry guys make good football players, bad citizens, but great football players...
Those who do not learn from thier mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

This is just me, but I want a team I can be proud of, as well, and it is possible. I know that is not a priority with everyone. You seem attached to U of M, well they have become a laughing stock and not because of their record. They justified creepy behavior for years and it got so out of hand that they became a punch line to every joke told about a scandalous program.

With nearly every one of your examples, there was some kind of chaos the ensued. Yeah Dallas had a good year last year but at the cost of a pretty good coach the year before. It's way too early to judge the Tank Johnson situation.

If you are saying one good season justifies blowing up a franchise (49ers, Eagles, Bengals) then I think you are nuts.

Just ask yourself, What Would Gibbs Do?

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by lwiedy

This is just me, but I want a team I can be proud of, as well, and it is possible. I know that is not a priority with everyone. You seem attached to U of M, well they have become a laughing stock and not because of their record. They justified creepy behavior for years and it got so out of hand that they became a punch line to every joke told about a scandalous program.

With nearly every one of your examples, there was some kind of chaos the ensued. Yeah Dallas had a good year last year but at the cost of a pretty good coach the year before. It's way too early to judge the Tank Johnson situation.

If you are saying one good season justifies blowing up a franchise (49ers, Eagles, Bengals) then I think you are nuts.

Just ask yourself, What Would Gibbs Do?

I think the last line of your argument is the entire basis of what Skins fans think and do. In the 'good ole days' we thrived on getting that blue collar guy that busted his ass to succceed.

Everyone loves the story about the small town kid that worked hard and became great.

No one loves the pompass player that is seemingly taking his skills for granted and making stupid mistakes.

We look at these guys under a microscope and its not fair to them. You can be a pro football player, and drink with minors. I know its illegal and sounds bad. but think about it guys. A lot of people on this board are in college and I refuse to believe you didnt drink as a minor or with a minor before... or has everyone except me on this board never been to a strip club?

I dont want a team of "Rudys" or "the invincable". Personally, I dont need to hear the feel good story. I just want to win football games.

Yes theres a line. No I dont like that players at my college got into a lot of trouble in recent years and ear marked that program as being bad. But, if you look at it, people only cared that they did inapproriate things when they were losing. No one cares when you are winning.

When i went to school Portis, Shockey, Taylor...these guys were all there. And the guys before that like Sapp...Ray Lewis... All of them have attitude problem, they all got in trouble.

Everyone loves Portis and Taylor, so dotn sit here and compalin about the rest of the league without looking internally. Portis and Taylor were no Saints, hell lewis was arrested and Sapp is a walking time bomb.

But with age came maturity, they are all (were....) fun guys and matured. They learned from their mistakes and became dominant. So dont be so quick to dismiss a guy like Henry, he could be the next great lockerroom MVP in the leauge. Or he could become trash... its a risk. I just think its a small risk, you can always cut the guy.

We have a great team in place, with strong vet leaders. They would keep players in control.

[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by lwiedy

"action without vision is a nightmare". Signing a guy like Henry is action without vision. We need something, so this is what is in front of you and you react.

This notion that nothing is lost if he screws up is losing sight that if in fact another player comes along that would be a better fit, you've already cast your lot to the devil (so to speak). Then he screws up (and he will screw up) and now your back to square one.

Use your Manley example, sure we got a lot out of him, but we needed him in 1988 & 89 and where was he? We had great teams that came up short because a guy like Manley left us high (no pun intended) and dry. When we replaced him, we (with essentially the same team) returned to the playoffs.

Those who do not learn from thier mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

If you think that Dexter Manley playing for the skins was a mistake then we have a philosophical difference. Obviously we are looking at this from different angles ... Chris Henry is one of the most talented young WR in the league. The fact that a lot football people thought the Bengals would part with Johnson because in Housh and Henry they have 2 Pro bowl caliber WR should tell you something.

I think your mistake is you're scared and not thinking outside of the box. If I could somehow guarantee signing Henry would bring a super bowl next year would you agree with the signing of Henry? Probably not

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If he's 100% innocent ( which I doubt ) then why wouldn't we take a look at this guy??

He was dropped by the bengals WHILE in court for 2 different issues. He is in no way 100% innocent even if he didn't do what he allegedly did. He had a slew of issues before this, and more will come. He likely hasn't been 100% innocent since he was 15 months old.

[SeanTaylor21]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If he's 100% innocent ( which I doubt ) then why wouldn't we take a look at this guy??

How could you say that when we all know about his past troubles, if you don't know, here is a list:
December 15, 2005 - Chris Henry was pulled over in Northern Kentucky for speeding and marijuana was found in his shoes. He was also driving without a valid driver's license, and without auto insurance. On January 30, 2006, he was arrested in Orlando for multiple gun charges including concealment and aggravated assault with a firearm. He was reported to have been wearing his Number 15 Bengals jersey at the time of his arrest. Henry pleaded guilty in both cases and avoided jail time in both cases.

May 4, 2006 - Cincinnati media reported that Henry is being investigated by Covington police in connection with a sex crime, which allegedly occurred in a hotel room in Covington, Kentucky early on April 30, 2006. No charges have yet been filed, and on May 24, 2006, Covington police reported that there is no proof anything happened and that the alleged victim might now face charges for filing a false police report.

June 3, 2006 - Chris Henry was pulled over outside on Interstate 275 at 1:18 a.m by Ohio Highway Trooper Michael Shimko. At 2:06 a.m. Henry voluntarily submitted to a breathalyzer test at Milford Police Department and registered a .092 blood-alcohol level, .012 above the level permitted by Ohio law. These charges have since been dismissed as it was proven that the breathalyzer used to test Henry at the scene was faulty.

September 25, 2006 in the early morning, Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman was pulled over for a DUI. The truck Thurman was driving belonged to rookie Reggie McNeal. Neither McNeal nor Chris Henry were charged with any wrongdoing by authorities, however, Bengals Head Coach Marvin Lewis benched Henry for the Bengals loss against the New England Patriots.

October 6, 2006 - Henry was suspended by the NFL for two games for violating the league's personal conduct and substance abuse policies. NFL policies forbid Henry from taking part in practices, however, he was allowed to attend any team meetings. Henry missed the Bengals' October 15, 2006 game at Tampa Bay Buccaneers and their October 22, 2006 game against the Carolina Panthers.

January 25, 2007 - Henry pleaded guilty to charges of providing alcohol to minors, an incident that occurred at a hotel in the spring on 2006. He was sentenced to 90 days in jail, with all but two of those days being suspended.

April 10, 2007 - Henry was suspended for the first eight games of the 2007 NFL season for violations of the NFL's personal conduct policy. His suspension comes with a stern warning that future misconduct may result in the end of his career with the NFL. Henry has since been allowed to begin practicing fully with the Cincinnati Bengals by NFL Commissioner, Roger Goodell. His suspension was lifted and he played in the November 11, game versus the Baltimore Ravens, amassing 4 catches for 99 yards.

May 18, 2007 - Henry allegedly failed a court-mandated drug test, where a field tested resulted in a false positive for taking an opiate, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer. The failed drug test would have been the third violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy. A third violation, per league rules, results in a one-year suspension. In addition to having his suspension increased to 24 games, he would have had to serve an 88 day jail sentence. As of May 23, 2007, the State of Kentucky has reported that Henry in fact did NOT fail a drug test, and that earlier reports to the contrary are erroneous.

June 12, 2007 - Henry allegedly assaulted a 16 year old boy with teammate Reggie McNeal. The claims were later reported to be unfounded and Henry and McNeal have been exonerated.

November 6, 2007 - Henry allegedly assaulted a valet attendant at Newport on the Levee.

April 2, 2008 - Henry was charged with misdemeanor assault and property damage. Henry allegedly threw a bottle shattering the victim's car window and punched him in the face, however Henry said it was a case of mistaken identity. Henry was waived by the Bengals a day after this arrest.