Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Bad offer!! 2 possible first round picks for a player who's about to turn 30 and is a malcontent. No thanks!! Please Cincy, stick to your guns.

He's a malcontent cause of the losing team he's on. I would be also. As far as the 2 first rounders that's incorrect. It's this yrs 1st and next yrs 3rd for all of you who are saying CJ is not worth it and would destroy the team. It only becomes a first if he meets certain incentives....which most of you should not have a problem with concidering most of you believe he is a malcontent and would not reach those goals.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

He's a malcontent cause of the losing team he's on. I would be also. As far as the 2 first rounders that's incorrect. It's this yrs 1st and next yrs 3rd for all of you who are saying CJ is not worth it and would destroy the team. It only becomes a first if he meets certain incentives....which most of you should not have a problem with concidering most of you believe he is a malcontent and would not reach those goals.

I admit that I misread it at first. If he were to reach the goals and we had to give up two first rounders I would be torn on the decision. I am all for a 1st and a 3rd rounder though. So if we can get him and have him produce slightly under what is required for a 1st rounder. That would make my day.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

He's a malcontent cause of the losing team he's on. I would be also. As far as the 2 first rounders that's incorrect. It's this yrs 1st and next yrs 3rd for all of you who are saying CJ is not worth it and would destroy the team. It only becomes a first if he meets certain incentives....which most of you should not have a problem with concidering most of you believe he is a malcontent and would not reach those goals.

He has Carson Palmer for a QB, HoushmanXXXX for his wingman, Rudy Johnson, etc. I watched him play last year in many games and to be honest he's looked better in previous years. He dropped a lot of balls or couldn't get open or shake the defender. I think he best seasons are past him even if he's 30. Carson Palmer and CJ had some heated exchanges during some of those games cause CJ was too busy being funny and promoting himself like Deion Sanders and dropping lots of balls and running the wrong route. We don't need that kind of distraction

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

He has Carson Palmer for a QB, HoushmanXXXX for his wingman, Rudy Johnson, etc. I watched him play last year in many games and to be honest he's looked better in previous years. He dropped a lot of balls or couldn't get open or shake the defender. I think he best seasons are past him even if he's 30. Carson Palmer and CJ had some heated exchanges during some of those games cause CJ was too busy being funny and promoting himself like Deion Sanders and dropping lots of balls and running the wrong route. We don't need that kind of distraction

Well he did still manage to catch 93 balls for 1440 yards and 8 scores.

You can't argue with that kind of production.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

He has Carson Palmer for a QB, HoushmanXXXX for his wingman, Rudy Johnson, etc. I watched him play last year in many games and to be honest he's looked better in previous years. He dropped a lot of balls or couldn't get open or shake the defender. I think he best seasons are past him even if he's 30. Carson Palmer and CJ had some heated exchanges during some of those games cause CJ was too busy being funny and promoting himself like Deion Sanders and dropping lots of balls and running the wrong route. We don't need that kind of distraction

Nevermind the fact that Rudi Johnson played only 11 games last year and averaged less than 3 yards per carry.

Anyhow, CJ would have Moss and Cooley as wingmen here. Not to mention Portis

[Skinny Tee]

Thank God that the Bengals can save us from ourselves.

How dopey is it to come this far with all your picks just to hand them out at the last second. So much for draft disicipline.

This annoys me and doesn't bode well for who they think is going to be available with the 21st pick in the draft. One week before the draft they want to heave their draft stratedy out the window, I'm annoyed.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Thank God that the Bengals can save us from ourselves.

How dopey is it to come this far with all your picks just to hand them out at the last second. So much for draft disicipline.

This annoys me and doesn't bode well for who they think is going to be available with the 21st pick in the draft. One week before the draft they want to heave their draft stratedy out the window, I'm annoyed.

Im annoyed too. If it really was 2 first round picks Im lossing confidence agian.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Im annoyed too. If it really was 2 first round picks Im lossing confidence agian.

A) Smoot already said above that he is pretty sure the report was slightly off. Read the thread.

B) Even if the report was 100% accurate it was a 1st and a conditional 3rd in '09 that could escalate to a 1st. The escalator clauses would probably be include some or all of things like - Pro Bowl selection, All-Pro selection, 1,400-1,500 yards receiving, 10+ TDs, Conference Championship appearance, or the like. I'm sure the escalators weren't catch 25 passes for 300 yards. They were likely team/individual performance levels that, if met, would have us forgetting about giving up the picks.

The Dolphins made a trade like this several years ago for Ricky Williams. it was a conditional pick that eventually escalated to a 1st when Ricky rushed for 1,800 yards. Now over the long term Ricky didn't pan out in Miami, but that first year he was dominant. If we could get Owens/Moss like production out of Johnson (I'd assume the escalators kicked in with elite level performance) then two 1sts could be worth it. But it wasn't just two 1sts straight up. Get it straight, it was a 1st and a conditional 3rd - and that assumes the report was 100%.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

A) Smoot already said above that he is pretty sure the report was slightly off. Read the thread.

B) Even if the report was 100% accurate it was a 1st and a conditional 3rd in '09 that could escalate to a 1st. The escalator clauses would probably be include some or all of things like - Pro Bowl selection, All-Pro selection, 1,400-1,500 yards receiving, 10+ TDs, Conference Championship appearance, or the like. I'm sure the escalators weren't catch 25 passes for 300 yards. They were likely team/individual performance levels that, if met, would have us forgetting about giving up the picks.

The Dolphins made a trade like this several years ago for Ricky Williams. it was a conditional pick that eventually escalated to a 1st when Ricky rushed for 1,800 yards. Now over the long term Ricky didn't pan out in Miami, but that first year he was dominant. If we could get Owens/Moss like production out of Johnson (I'd assume the escalators kicked in with elite level performance) then two 1sts could be worth it. But it wasn't just two 1sts straight up. Get it straight, it was a 1st and a conditional 3rd - and that assumes the report was 100%.

Yeah seriously thanks for pointing that out. People here are bitching about two first rounders, but it isn't. It is a 3rd, that is conditional.

[riggins44]

We may have offered a first round pick and a lower pick, but don't buy into the the two first round picks. Everyone is blowing smoke with their "team
and league sources". They're all using the media as a negotiating tool.

I'm sure anything beyond the first round pick would have all kinds of conditions attached.

All this pre-draft hype and trade talks is worse than a bunch of dealers
at a used car auction.

[Larry Michael is Satan]

1) Chad goddam Johnson is NOT in the same league as Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, et al, as some have said. That's insane. He's not even the best reciever on his own team, much less all-time great.

2) He plays with an elite NFL QB, and is trashing his team publically because they are not winning. Newsflash: The Skins are a LONG way from being a contender.

3) Do you think getting screamed at on the sideline by some prima dona bitch is gonna help Jason Campbell's confidence and development?

4) Joe Gibbs has obviously left the building if we are making an offer for CJ.

5) No team can afford to pay pro bowl money to THREE recievers.

6) NOBODY is gonna get the ball if we don't have an O-line.

COLOSSAL MISTAKE!!!!!!!!

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Larry Michael is Satan

1) Chad goddam Johnson is NOT in the same league as Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, et al, as some have said. That's insane. He's not even the best reciever on his own team, much less all-time great.

2) He plays with an elite NFL QB, and is trashing his team publically because they are not winning. Newsflash: The Skins are a LONG way from being a contender.

3) Do you think getting screamed at on the sideline by some prima dona bitch is gonna help Jason Campbell's confidence and development?

4) Joe Gibbs has obviously left the building if we are making an offer for CJ.

5) No team can afford to pay pro bowl money to THREE recievers.

6) NOBODY is gonna get the ball if we don't have an O-line.

COLOSSAL MISTAKE!!!!!!!!

So TJ is better than CJ, and I didnt know his middle name was "goddam" and yes the Redskins are a long way from being a contender we did go 1-15 last year. Seriously are you making any sense right now?

[Larry Michael is Satan]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

So TJ is better than CJ, and I didnt know his middle name was "goddam" and yes the Redskins are a long way from being a contender we did go 1-15 last year. Seriously are you making any sense right now?

Yes, his middle name is "goddam", check wikipedia.
The guy is a cancer. Period. I wouldn't sign him as a FA, much less give up picks/players for him.
TJ is a big possession reciever, as well as a team player, and I'd take him for this WC offense over CJ any day of the week.
We are not a playoff team right now, and that's what CJ wants to be on. He's says he's pissed because he's not winning, coming to washington ain't gonna help that anytime soon.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Larry Michael is Satan

1) Chad goddam Johnson is NOT in the same league as Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, et al, as some have said. That's insane. He's not even the best reciever on his own team, much less all-time great.

2) He plays with an elite NFL QB, and is trashing his team publically because they are not winning. Newsflash: The Skins are a LONG way from being a contender.

3) Do you think getting screamed at on the sideline by some prima dona bitch is gonna help Jason Campbell's confidence and development?

4) Joe Gibbs has obviously left the building if we are making an offer for CJ.

5) No team can afford to pay pro bowl money to THREE recievers.

6) NOBODY is gonna get the ball if we don't have an O-line.

COLOSSAL MISTAKE!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry you lost me with #1.....How is CJ not the #1 WR on his team? Go to NFL.COM and look up player stats for 2007 and tell me how a #3 ranked WR is not the top WR on his team? and then find the next available Bengal on that roster.....I'll help you out...it's T.J. Houshmandzadeh at #15. and for your info...CJ does compare to Randy Moss who was second on the list. If you look at all the stats they are comparable other then TD's...yes Moss had 23 and CJ had 8, but thats because according to you he had to play with some one who is better then him at #15.

Your #2 is stupid. Palmer is not elite! I think you mean his WR's make him look alot better then he really is. At this point I believe Campbell is better then Palmer.

#3 I regress to #2. Palmer is an idiot. Campbell is not. I'm sure CJ would not stunt Campbells growth and more then likely would help it grow.

#4 I finally agree with you.
#5 Your right. the team should not have thought that Moss who was not the #1 on the Jets was #1 status or that Randel El who was not the #1 on his team nor a #2 was worthy of #1 pay.

#6 I'm back to disagreeing with you. This just makes it harder for other teams to double up on one WR. It would probably force Moss to be more open which means Moss gets more balls, or Cooley, or Randel El.

Now before you go saying then why do we need CJ...its because teams would have to game plan for him and not single out Moss. Also CJ would get the ball when teams start rolling the coverage his way to eliminate him.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm sorry you lost me with #1.....How is CJ not the #1 WR on his team? Go to NFL.COM and look up player stats for 2007 and tell me how a #3 ranked WR is not the top WR on his team? and then find the next available Bengal on that roster.....I'll help you out...it's T.J. Houshmandzadeh at #15. and for your info...CJ does compare to Randy Moss who was second on the list. If you look at all the stats they are comparable other then TD's...yes Moss had 23 and CJ had 8, but thats because according to you he had to play with some one who is better then him at #15.

Your #2 is stupid. Palmer is not elite! I think you mean his WR's make him look alot better then he really is. At this point I believe Campbell is better then Palmer.

#3 I regress to #2. Palmer is an idiot. Campbell is not. I'm sure CJ would not stunt Campbells growth and more then likely would help it grow.

#4 I finally agree with you.
#5 Your right. the team should not have thought that Moss who was not the #1 on the Jets was #1 status or that Randel El who was not the #1 on his team nor a #2 was worthy of #1 pay.

#6 I'm back to disagreeing with you. This just makes it harder for other teams to double up on one WR. It would probably force Moss to be more open which means Moss gets more balls, or Cooley, or Randel El.

Now before you go saying then why do we need CJ...its because teams would have to game plan for him and not single out Moss. Also CJ would get the ball when teams start rolling the coverage his way to eliminate him.

You gotta be kidding me. Carson Palmer is a better Qb than JC. I can't even believe you said that.