FISA with Telecom Immunity Passed

[dmek25]

saden, are you really bin laden?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by dmek25

saden, are you really bin laden?

No, I'm just paranoid mofo...I do use Skype so my liberties are pretty safe. I'm just pissed because this whole FISA thing is a f'ing sham. Might as well hope for security becasue terrorists on Skype can "win."

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by saden1

It's about the algorithm used and the key size. Even at 1024-bit key size RSA encryption is trash when it comes to encrypting data. No one in their right mind would use it nowadays because it's susceptible to chosen-plaintext attacks and there are better encryption schemes out there. What you really want is AES (Rijndael) which the NSA approved for encrypting classified documents or Twofish which is even better.

Originally Posted by saden1

No, I'm just paranoid mofo...I do use Skype so my liberties are pretty safe. I'm just pissed because this whole FISA thing is a f'ing sham. Might as well hope for security becasue terrorists on Skype can "win."

Pretty safe is correct, I guess. Skype uses RSA for AES key negotiation. If you can in fact use a chosen plaintext attack on RSA, then by using AES for the actual data stream is kind of pointless (other than the performance gained), I would think. Once you get the agreed upon key, you can then trivially decrypt all communications between the two parties.

But that all rides on a successfully executed chosen text attack. I've never seen RSA broken in that fashion, and if it has been successfully done, I'd love to see some performance stats.

All of this is neither here nor there, though. You can have the strongest encryption in the world, but in the end humans are the ones using it. Generally speaking, humans are terrible at securing their security. That is why you do not need brute force, chosen text, distributed brute force, mathematical cracks, etc to break encryption. Bluntly, people are stupid and lazy.

[That Guy]

btw, the whole "get a court order" thing is a sham, cause the courts just rubber stamped everything, so it really didn't provide any oversight or checks on power.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by That Guy

btw, the whole "get a court order" thing is a sham, cause the courts just rubber stamped everything, so it really didn't provide any oversight or checks on power.

Your right on in that and all it really does is delay the process. That delay could cost lives.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I'm reading a lot of people who justify the removal of liberties with "improved" security.

While removing liberties might protect us from one threat, it will only expose another -- the government. There has to be a better solution.

[dmek25]

ah, ghetto. the voice of reason. every time this administration wants some thing done, they use the fear of terrorism. they have said it so much, people are starting to become immune to it

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I'm reading a lot of people who justify the removal of liberties with "improved" security.

While removing liberties might protect us from one threat, it will only expose another -- the government. There has to be a better solution.

While I understand what your saying I just don't think the goverment has the man power or the time to listen in on every Tom, Dicks, & Harry's phone calls. It funny how peopl don't trust the goverment to handle this but they don't have a problem with them handeling things that really affect their lives like, SS, health care, schools, etc... So if we don't trust the goverment lets take away their power to handle the things that really affect our life.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

ah, ghetto. the voice of reason. every time this administration wants some thing done, they use the fear of terrorism. they have said it so much, people are starting to become immune to it

This administration? So your man Obama is not smart enough to figure out if this was a bill he should or should not vote for and for that matter all the other dems who voted for the bill? This bill could not have passed without their vote.

[dmek25]

no one does everything right. i was a Bill Clinton supporter, but think NAFTA is a piece of trash. the democrats have talked about all they were going to accomplish. yet, they have done little/ to nothing. i think he took what he thought was the best piece of legislation that was passable. but you are getting off topic alittle. this is a bad bill for the United States public

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

no one does everything right. i was a Bill Clinton supporter, but think NAFTA is a piece of trash. the democrats have talked about all they were going to accomplish. yet, they have done little/ to nothing. i think he took what he thought was the best piece of legislation that was passable. but you are getting off topic alittle. this is a bad bill for the United States public

I'm not getting off topic. You blamed Bush like he stood alone and your party (I'm assummng by your prior post) had to vote for this bill as well to make it law. We just differ on how we feel about this bill. Now if they could show you examples of how this has helped in the past would you still be against the bill?

[That Guy]

i'm not a big fan of stealing liberties either, and we've seen poor oversight, excessive (and pointless) secretiveness (is that a word?) and it's really a shame that one day we're arbitrarily in a constant state of war and the government has the right to do whatever it wants without justification beyond "us vs them" fear mongering.

half of the "improved security" measures are completely worthless or worse. i mean, where are the watchdog groups? the checks and balances?

what i mean by worse than worthless - things like gitmo, which haven't revealed a whole lot, but has become a form of jihadist university doesn't really make us safer, and some of the "trials" were such a sham that the military officers charged with conducting them called time out... and we're not just talking one or two people.

</rant> sorry.

[Monkeydad]

We are becoming very spoiled.

Previous generations were willing to make sacrifices in wartime to succeed. WWII rations so we could fund the operation, women going to work in factories to supply their husbands at war and to raise the families, they felt some personal ties to the war and cared enough to see it all the way to success. In the Civil War, many more sacrifices were made. During the Revolutionary War, EVERYTHING was put at risk for their nation.

Today, we all want to feel unaffected by the fight against our enemies and defense of our freedom. We oppose anything that reminds us we're at war, we focus on the negative and elect people who will even try to undermine our sons, brothers and fathers in harm's way. Before, a lot of these people would rightfully so be found guilty of treason.

Listening in on terrorists and the people communicating with them has NO EFFECT on you if you are not doing it. You are not losing any rights, but if we turn our backs on this fight, you WILL lose rights and maybe your life. Did you enjoy walking around the morning of 09/11 fearing or wondering if your city was next? Did you enjoy losing loved ones on that day (if any of you did)? That day, your freedom was stolen away. Do not selfishly oppose steps needed to make sure we kill the people who want to steal your freedom and life forever...or you'll really know what living under dear and oppression is like.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by That Guy

btw, the whole "get a court order" thing is a sham, cause the courts just rubber stamped everything, so it really didn't provide any oversight or checks on power.

This is probably the most unpatriotic post I've read........EVER! We have rights dude! Noone can just kick open our doors and search our home, unless there is a warrant of some kind. Its called rights! I believe Thomas Jefferson went even further and called them "unalienable rights endowed by our creator".

Let me back up. Lets say that..............I get busted for possesion of something illegal. They tell me that they'll give me a deal if I cooperate. So, I say that guy gave it to me. In fact that guy gives this stuff to ALOT of people. You can find him at such and such a place.

Without a "court order" they kick open your door, ransack your house and come up empty.............I was full of crud the WHOLE TIME. I have a hard time believing that wouldn't piss you off! I have a even harder time believing that you wouldn't be screaming about your rights being violated!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

no one does everything right. i was a Bill Clinton supporter, but think NAFTA is a piece of trash. the democrats have talked about all they were going to accomplish. yet, they have done little/ to nothing. i think he took what he thought was the best piece of legislation that was passable. but you are getting off topic alittle. this is a bad bill for the United States public

You could also say that everything started heading south when they took control two years ago. Just had to add that. LOL