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Old 07-15-2008, 04:43 AM   #15
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Re: Judge Sides With Redskins in Team Name Suit

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I'm sorry, but WTF are you talking about? This post is so full of convoluted nonsense I can't even express how ridiculous it is. It sounds like you're trying desperately to find a way to dismiss the overwhelming empirical evidence against your argument.

So basically, the Native Americans are weak and can't stand up for themselves, so that's why they figure I might as well vote for complacency in this MSNBC poll? FOR WHAT? TO WHAT END? FOR WHAT PURPOSE? You make it sound like they're women with battered wives syndrome.

If you're asked in a harmless poll whether you find something offensive, you don't have to stand up and take a stand, or fight the good fight, or anything like that. You give your answer, you hang up the phone, and you go back to reading your kids a bedtime story. They have no reason to say they're not offended if in fact they are.

Bottom line: An astoundingly OVERWHELMING percentage said they did not find it offensive. You can read all the ridiculous books you want. But you can't change facts.
If you've read any of these books, I'd doubt you'd call them ridiculous. Go ahead and ignore the correlation between their past decimation and the resulting outcome (seen in the state of the general NA population today). I wouldn't call the Native American tribes "weak" as being the reason they don't stand up for themselves. If you'd taken the time to read anything regarding their current state in this country, you wouldn't use a poll to dismiss the lack of outcry. You have the audacity to call my statements "convoluted nonsense" and "desperate", yet you'll take one poll's numbers over hundreds of years of history, nearly every dictionary's inclusion of the word "offensive" (in the definition of "redskins") and tons of books/research that discuss the Native American experience... all which provide the very reasons why we aren't able to see a noticeable movement on their behalf.

I'm not desperately grasping at anything... I'm adding to a discussion. If you polled African-Americans in the 50s, I'm guessing the overwhelming majority weren't offended at the term "colored" back then either. Are you saying we have to wait until some future point in time where the polls will reflect otherwise for NAs? *Although, I'd like to fast forward to such a time in order to see if your stance on our team's name was really, in fact, dictated by poll numbers. The term "redskins" isn't really even borderline in today's non-football vernacular. Quite the opposite, the majority of dictionary publishers, English professors and most citizens (in general) cite an offensiveness with this term when used to describe the Native American people. Why do we have to wait until there's some type of government-sponsored poll of Native Americans to do the right thing? Several universities have already reversed their long-standing traditions... they've waken up. As a society, we make the conscious decision to render words obsolete- we don't have to wait until the offending group deems it so.

But feel free to continue responding to something you don't agree with using emotional pejoratives... everything's black and white, right?

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