Jeremy Shockey is a Saint

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How do you call this trade good for both teams, but the Taylor trade awful for the Redskins?

Because Shockey is probably going to play at a high level for several more years. He's got a Pro Bowl QB throwing to him and his former O-coordinator who is knows him and knows his game. With the emegence of Boss, NY didn't really need him. Plus NY has Toomer, Plax, Steve Smith, Moss' little brother and they just drafted Mario M. They are pretty solid on offense.

Taylor could potentially play one more year and then go off and and try and make movies...or try and be Mr. Twinkle Toes again. I would bet that if we win 5-7 games he could walk. If that happens then we're right back to square one minus the draft pick, which could be a high 2nd rounder.

I'm going to say this one more time. Sometimes guys get hurt and you don't know what you have in the back-up until he gets in the game and shows what he can do. The Giants saw what Boss can do, he's had a great off season so they let Shockey go. But not before they got some value in return.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Because Shockey is probably going to play at a high level for several more years. He's got a Pro Bowl QB throwing to him and his former O-coordinator who is knows him and knows his game. With the emegence of Boss, NY didn't really need him. Plus NY has Toomer, Plax, Steve Smith, Moss' little brother and they just drafted Mario M. They are pretty solid on offense.

Taylor could potentially play one more year and then go off and and try and make movies...or try and be Mr. Twinkle Toes again. I would bet that if we win 5-7 games he could walk. If that happens then we're right back to square one minus the draft pick, which could be a high 2nd rounder.

I'm going to say this one more time. Sometimes guys get hurt and you don't know what you have in the back-up until he gets in the game and shows what he can do. The Giants saw what Boss can do, he's had a great off season so they let Shockey go. But not before they got some value in return.

???Several more years(???) .....hell I'd be happy with one,at 27 he has'not finished a full season yet! I told all of you this would happen,he's nothing but a jerk ...yes he is most likely one of the top 3 TE's in the league but his route running sucks and he's a freaking head case.Look what he's mad about...the Giants would'nt let him on the sidelines during the super bowl.....No one injured on either team was aloud on the side lines ...he didn't go to the ring cerimony ,or to meet the Prez....good riddens and that should also save us 2 penilties a game.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

???Several more years(???) .....hell I'd be happy with one,at 27 he has'not finished a full season yet! I told all of you this would happen,he's nothing but a jerk ...yes he is most likely one of the top 3 TE's in the league but his route running sucks and he's a freaking head case.Look what he's mad about...the Giants would'nt let him on the sidelines during the super bowl.....No one injured on either team was aloud on the side lines ...he didn't go to the ring cerimony ,or to meet the Prez....good riddens and that should also save us 2 penilties a game.

Not letting him on the side lines was a team decision and if I played for a team and helped them get to the SB I would be ticked if they did that to me.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Not letting him on the side lines was a team decision and if I played for a team and helped them get to the SB I would be ticked if they did that to me.

No it was not,not one Giant Player or Patriot player that was hurt was on the sideline.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Giantone

???Several more years(???) .....hell I'd be happy with one,at 27 he has'not finished a full season yet! I told all of you this would happen,he's nothing but a jerk ...yes he is most likely one of the top 3 TE's in the league but his route running sucks and he's a freaking head case.Look what he's mad about...the Giants would'nt let him on the sidelines during the super bowl.....No one injured on either team was aloud on the side lines ...he didn't go to the ring cerimony ,or to meet the Prez....good riddens and that should also save us 2 penilties a game.

I know he's a headcase but I think Payton knows how to handle him. More importantly I think Payton knows how to use him. And so what if he didn't go to all that stuff. That wouldn't bother me.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I know he's a headcase but I think Payton knows how to handle him. More importantly I think Payton knows how to use him. And so what if he didn't go to all that stuff. That wouldn't bother me.

Maybe but he's a step slower and always hurt and as for the other stuff the rest of the "team" cared .....why would you want someone who is more about himself then the team?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I know he's a headcase but I think Payton knows how to handle him. More importantly I think Payton knows how to use him. And so what if he didn't go to all that stuff. That wouldn't bother me.

Yeah, as long as he's not dancing who cares what he does on his own time, right?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, as long as he's not dancing who cares what he does on his own time, right?

lol nice

Sorry skinsfan69 but you're coming off like a big hypocrite here.

Shockey whined his way outta NY and was a problem child and you're fine with that.

Jason Taylor went on a TV show and that's a huge issue to you. I don't get it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

lol nice

Sorry skinsfan69 but you're coming off like a big hypocrite here.

Shockey whined his way outta NY and was a problem child and you're fine with that.

Jason Taylor went on a TV show and that's a huge issue to you. I don't get it.

How????? I just said that the Shockey trade was good for both teams. I know Shockey is a headcase and whines like a baby. But at least I know he wants to play football and will be playing football for several more years. He's not talking about walking away. Are we sure about that with Taylor? No! There is a chance he plays one more year, otherwise he wouldn't have said it. And he can tell Vinny and Dan all he wants. We all know people change their minds. Just ask Joe Gibbs.

The Taylor trade may or may not be good for us. Sorry but when a guy says he only wants to play one more year, then goes on a dancing show and doesn't show up for workouts that would concern the hell out of me. And from the looks of it, it concerned a lot of the NFL people too. Look at all the teams that need a pass rusher? How come a deal couldn't get done until training camp starts? That's cause no one wanted to take the risk and we probably would not have done if Daniels didn't go down.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How????? I just said that the Shockey trade was good for both teams. I know Shockey is a headcase and whines like a baby. But at least I know he wants to play football and will be playing football for several more years. He's not talking about walking away. Are we sure about that with Taylor? No! There is a chance he plays one more year, otherwise he wouldn't have said it. And he can tell Vinny and Dan all he wants. We all know people change their minds. Just ask Joe Gibbs.

The Taylor trade may or may not be good for us. Sorry but when a guy says he only wants to play one more year, then goes on a dancing show and doesn't show up for workouts that would concern the hell out of me. And from the looks of it, it concerned a lot of the NFL people too. Look at all the teams that need a pass rusher? How come a deal couldn't get done until training camp starts? That's cause no one wanted to take the risk and we probably would not have done if Daniels didn't go down.

So maybe Taylor changed his mind and has now decided he wants to play more than just one year

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, as long as he's not dancing who cares what he does on his own time, right?

Oh come on. Give me a break. Mr. Twinkle Toes was missing team workouts because he wanted to win some silly ass dancing contest and promote is Hollywood career. Not going to see Bush and all that other stuff is totally different and you know it is.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Oh come on. Give me a break. Mr. Twinkle Toes was missing team workouts because he wanted to win some silly ass dancing contest and promote is Hollywood career. Not going to see Bush and all that other stuff is totally different and you know it is.

Yeah sure, whatever you say. You say it's fine for Shockey to miss team activities. You've even said it's even fine for Shawn Springs to skip team workouts, but for whatever reason you've decided to have a double standard for Jason Taylor. I don't know why, maybe you're upset you never made it as a Solid Gold dancer.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah sure, whatever you say. You say it's fine for Shockey to miss team activities. You've even said it's even fine for Shawn Springs to skip team workouts, but for whatever reason you've decided to have a double standard for Jason Taylor. I don't know why, maybe you're upset you never made it as a Solid Gold dancer.

lol!!!
(anyone see Lebron on Saturday Night Live last year when he did the solid gold dancer skit?)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah sure, whatever you say. You say it's fine for Shockey to miss team activities. You've even said it's even fine for Shawn Springs to skip team workouts, but for whatever reason you've decided to have a double standard for Jason Taylor. I don't know why, maybe you're upset you never made it as a Solid Gold dancer.

Sorry but I'm not giving up a high draft pick for a guy who skips workouts to go a dancing show and says he's only playing one more year. Why is that so hard for you to understand????? Cause from the looks of it a lot of the NFL GM's feel the same way I do. Otherwise someone would have already made a deal for him. Right?

Springs and Shockey are 100% commited to playing football. They haven't said they're only playing one more year. Right?? I guess that's my biggest issue. Not the dancing.