F... Selling Tickets to the Visiting Team

[BleedBurgundy]

i don't really get the whole complaint here. If they are too expensive and you can't afford them, don't buy them. No one is forced to do so. And if you're going to buy them and then turn around and sell them to non-Skins fans, why not just buy the few games you actually plan on attending through Stub Hub or Craigslist?

[bigmarley4]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

i don't really get the whole complaint here. If they are too expensive and you can't afford them, don't buy them. No one is forced to do so. And if you're going to buy them and then turn around and sell them to non-Skins fans, why not just buy the few games you actually plan on attending through Stub Hub or Craigslist?

I want to attend every home game. I can afford my ticket -- what I can't afford is taking a LOSS on the tickets. Therefore I sell them to whoever wants to buy at fair value (Skins fans or opponent's fans). Thus why there were 30,000 steelers fans there. What's hard to get about it?

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by bigmarley4

I want to attend every home game. I can afford my ticket -- what I can't afford is taking a LOSS on the tickets. Therefore I sell them to whoever wants to buy at fair value (Skins fans or opponent's fans). Thus why there were 30,000 steelers fans there. What's hard to get about it?

If you wanted to attend every home game, then you wouldn't be selling the tickets. What is this whole "taking a loss" thing anyway? If you buy the tickets for x amount of dollars, then you are getting that commodity in return, you're not "taking a loss." I hate the whole "tickets as an investment" thing. What you really mean is that you want the OPTION of attending any or all of the home games for only face value but then you want to be able to sell any tickets you don't use to any one, skins fan or not. Personally I disagree with that because it lends itself to situations like that crap we all had to sit through last night. Obviously that's not an issue for you, it's a free country, do what you want. I just think it sucks.

[irish]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

If you wanted to attend every home game, then you wouldn't be selling the tickets. What is this whole "taking a loss" thing anyway? If you buy the tickets for x amount of dollars, then you are getting that commodity in return, you're not "taking a loss." I hate the whole "tickets as an investment" thing. What you really mean is that you want the OPTION of attending any or all of the home games for only face value but then you want to be able to sell any tickets you don't use to any one, skins fan or not. Personally I disagree with that because it lends itself to situations like that crap we all had to sit through last night. Obviously that's not an issue for you, it's a free country, do what you want. I just think it sucks.

I think what he is saying is that stories of thousands of Skins fans dying to buy tickets is in fact a myth.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by irish

I think what he is saying is that stories of thousands of Skins fans dying to buy tickets is in fact a myth.

I think that's pretty obviously the case.

[redskins411]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

i don't really get the whole complaint here. If they are too expensive and you can't afford them, don't buy them. No one is forced to do so. And if you're going to buy them and then turn around and sell them to non-Skins fans, why not just buy the few games you actually plan on attending through Stub Hub or Craigslist?

Exactly!

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

i don't really get the whole complaint here. If they are too expensive and you can't afford them, don't buy them. No one is forced to do so. And if you're going to buy them and then turn around and sell them to non-Skins fans, why not just buy the few games you actually plan on attending through Stub Hub or Craigslist?

Because, as a die hard Skins fan, the opportunity for season tix was too good to pass up. The first season I had them I was in the LAST ROW of the upper bowl. The seats were less expensive then, I didn't have kids and my disposable income was greater. Each year our seats have crept forward (and become more expensive) as better seats became available. After several years, the seats are now in the 15th Row of the lower bowl. I am trying to hold onto them through these lean years until I can, again, actually afford to go to the games. If I skip a year, not only do I lose the lower bowl seats, I go to the back of the waiting list.

I don't buy them them to sell them - I buy them them now and so that I can enjoy them in the future when I can take my kids to games. When I could afford them, I went to every home game - usually I would invite a friend for whom I would eat the cost of their ticket. Hopefully, in the future, I again will be ablle to do that.

So - can I put you down for the $2,200 due next year? How about you 411? You guys gonna pony up the dough so that I can hold onto these seats I have invested time and money into? No? Shocking. Guess I'll have to find some other way to do that.

[redskins411]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Because, as a die hard Skins fan, the opportunity for season tix was too good to pass up. The first season I had them I was in the LAST ROW of the upper bowl. The seats were less expensive then, I didn't have kids and my disposable income was greater. Each year our seats have crept forward (and become more expensive) as better seats became available. After several years, the seats are now in the 15th Row of the lower bowl. I am trying to hold onto them through these lean years until I can, again, actually afford to go to the games. If I skip a year, not only do I lose the lower bowl seats, I go to the back of the waiting list.

I don't buy them them to sell them - I buy them them now and so that I can enjoy them in the future when I can take my kids to games. When I could afford them, I went to every home game - usually I would invite a friend for whom I would eat the cost of their ticket. Hopefully, in the future, I again will be ablle to do that.

So - can I put you down for the $2,200 due next year? How about you 411? You guys gonna pony up the dough so that I can hold onto these seats I have invested time and money into? No? Shocking. Guess I'll have to find some other way to do that.

I already have tickets and I make an effort to go to all of the games. I don't need your tickets. You have nice seats. Give me rights to your lower bowl seats and I will gladly give you rights to my upper deck seats.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by redskins411

I already have tickets and I make an effort to go to all of the games. I don't need your tickets. You have nice seats. Give me rights to your lower bowl seats and I will gladly give you rights to my upper deck seats.

"GIVE YOU"?? I have paid out a lot of coin and eaten a lot of tix to have the opportunity to use these seats. I have weathered many a rainy day, sat through crappy games and crappy teams in order to evenatually have these seats. If you are willing to re-imburse me for my investment, I will let have that advantage. But please tell me why you should benefit from my work/losses/investment.

Have you got kids? a mortgage? limited disposable income? Like it or not, the cost of tix requires a balancing of lots of factors. When I was in my 30's making relatively good coiin, my fandom ruled. Nowadays, it has to take a bit of a back seat. Again, I imagine I am not the only season tix going through these machinations.

[redskins411]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

"GIVE YOU"?? I have paid out a lot of coin and eaten a lot of tix to have the opportunity to use these seats. I have weathered many a rainy day, sat through crappy games and crappy teams in order to evenatually have these seats. If you are willing to re-imburse me for my investment, I will let have that advantage. But please tell me why you should benefit from my work/losses/investment.

Have you got kids? a mortgage? limited disposable income? Like it or not, the cost of tix requires a balancing of lots of factors. When I was in my 30's making relatively good coiin, my fandom ruled. Nowadays, it has to take a bit of a back seat. Again, I imagine I am not the only season tix going through these machinations.

Calm down! If someone is going to PAY $2200 for your tickets. They might as well have the rights. I didn't say for you to give me the tickets. I do have a heavy mortgage, kids, and bills that are out of control. Why would you assume that I didn't? But I called your bluff. End of discussion.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by redskins411

Calm down! If someone is going to PAY $2200 for your tickets. They might as well have the rights. I didn't say for you to give me the tickets. I do have a heavy mortgage, kids, and bills that are out of control. Why would you assume that I didn't? But I called your bluff. End of discussion.

You're right. I made an assumption that, like me when I had similar seats, you didn't have kids, mortgages, etc. For that I apologize.

Your post, however, said "give me rights to your seats, and I'll give you rights to mine." To me that indicated you were ignoring everything I had posted before about the financial and time sacrifices I had made to move from seats like yours to my current seats. That was why I was pissed.

[irish]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Because, as a die hard Skins fan, the opportunity for season tix was too good to pass up. The first season I had them I was in the LAST ROW of the upper bowl. The seats were less expensive then, I didn't have kids and my disposable income was greater. Each year our seats have crept forward (and become more expensive) as better seats became available. After several years, the seats are now in the 15th Row of the lower bowl. I am trying to hold onto them through these lean years until I can, again, actually afford to go to the games. If I skip a year, not only do I lose the lower bowl seats, I go to the back of the waiting list.

I don't buy them them to sell them - I buy them them now and so that I can enjoy them in the future when I can take my kids to games. When I could afford them, I went to every home game - usually I would invite a friend for whom I would eat the cost of their ticket. Hopefully, in the future, I again will be ablle to do that.

So - can I put you down for the $2,200 due next year? How about you 411? You guys gonna pony up the dough so that I can hold onto these seats I have invested time and money into? No? Shocking. Guess I'll have to find some other way to do that.

I think something else people dont realize is that depending where the seats are in the level means they can cost more. For example club level seats at the 50 cost more than club level seats at the 10.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Because, as a die hard Skins fan, the opportunity for season tix was too good to pass up. The first season I had them I was in the LAST ROW of the upper bowl. The seats were less expensive then, I didn't have kids and my disposable income was greater. Each year our seats have crept forward (and become more expensive) as better seats became available. After several years, the seats are now in the 15th Row of the lower bowl. I am trying to hold onto them through these lean years until I can, again, actually afford to go to the games. If I skip a year, not only do I lose the lower bowl seats, I go to the back of the waiting list.

I don't buy them them to sell them - I buy them them now and so that I can enjoy them in the future when I can take my kids to games. When I could afford them, I went to every home game - usually I would invite a friend for whom I would eat the cost of their ticket. Hopefully, in the future, I again will be ablle to do that.

So - can I put you down for the $2,200 due next year? How about you 411? You guys gonna pony up the dough so that I can hold onto these seats I have invested time and money into? No? Shocking. Guess I'll have to find some other way to do that.

I've never made the commitment to buy a full seasons' worth of tickets for all of the reasons you stated. I know that I can't afford either the time or the money to make all/most home games. So I don't, I just pick them up on Stub or Craigslist when I get the chance. And, by the way, I must have missed you offering them on here as I would have been more than happy to take them off of your hands for this game. I actually had a post up for the past month and a half looking for tickets to this game that weren't jacked up beyond reason.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I've never made the commitment to buy a full seasons' worth of tickets for all of the reasons you stated. I know that I can't afford either the time or the money to make all/most home games. So I don't, I just pick them up on Stub or Craigslist when I get the chance. And, by the way, I must have missed you offering them on here as I would have been more than happy to take them off of your hands for this game. I actually had a post up for the past month and a half looking for tickets to this game that weren't jacked up beyond reason.

I didn't post them for this game, I sold them as a block. I can't afford to carry the debt for that period of time. Plus, being strapped economically, I had no idea whether the Skins what the demand for Skins tix would be in April and couldn't take the economic risk.

"Jacked up beyond reason"? Sorry - in your opinion, season tix holders trying to hold onto their seats from year to year should absorb the market losses for games where there is no interest AND THEN sell at below market value for those not willing to make the commitment early. Why do I owe this to you or anyone else? I made my choices by balancing my family's needs, my desire to supporrt the team and the economics of the situation. I would suggest many season tix holders are faced with the same dilemmas.

This is part and parcel of why I am trying to hold onto my seats now and not take too much of loss on them. At some point, I will be able to afford them.
When I can, my losses on the tix through these years will be rewarded by having the abiltiy to afford going to games in great seats at a reasonable cost. I am buying early so that in the future I can pay a lower cost. THAT's why I am making the commitment. If you have a better plan, I would love to hear it. If the economics of the situation upset you, sorry. Reality bites sometimes.

Prior to the season you could have had these seats or seats to the Dallas game at cost or slightly above. You chose to wait, you chose to leave the seats available to others. It's all part of the deal. It's a market and you made your choices, and I made mine, by balancing our differet interests. Sorry if you can't understand mine.

Do I wish I had the time and money to go to every game? Yup. Is that ever going to be a reality again? Probably not. Should I just let go of my season tix b/c I can't conform to desires of others? I don't think so. Does this make me less of a fan or a D-bag? Again, I don't think so. I am doing the best I can in situation I am in.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I didn't post them for this game, I sold them as a block. I can't afford to carry the debt for that period of time. Plus, being strapped economically, I had no idea whether the Skins what the demand for Skins tix would be in April and couldn't take the economic risk.

"Jacked up beyond reason"? Sorry - in your opinion, season tix holders trying to hold onto their seats from year to year should absorb the market losses for games where there is no interest AND THEN sell at below market value for those not willing to make the commitment early. Why do I owe this to you or anyone else? I made my choices by balancing my family's needs, my desire to supporrt the team and the economics of the situation. I would suggest many season tix holders are faced with the same dilemmas.

This is part and parcel of why I am trying to hold onto my seats now and not take too much of loss on them. At some point, I will be able to afford them.
When I can, my losses on the tix through these years will be rewarded by having the abiltiy to afford going to games in great seats at a reasonable cost. I am buying early so that in the future I can pay a lower cost. THAT's why I am making the commitment. If you have a better plan, I would love to hear it. If the economics of the situation upset you, sorry. Reality bites sometimes.

Prior to the season you could have had these seats or seats to the Dallas game at cost or slightly above. You chose to wait, you chose to leave the seats available to others. It's all part of the deal. It's a market and you made your choices, and I made mine, by balancing our differet interests. Sorry if you can't understand mine.

Do I wish I had the time and money to go to every game? Yup. Is that ever going to be a reality again? Probably not. Should I just let go of my season tix b/c I can't conform to desires of others? I don't think so. Does this make me less of a fan or a D-bag? Again, I don't think so. I am doing the best I can in situation I am in.

To be clear, I meant no insult to you personally, and if you took it that way, I apologize. merely expressing frustration that so many steelers fans literally took away our home field advantage. I think this topic has been exhausted.