What's Wrong with the Redskins?

[53Fan]

We're not playing very well. :cool-smil

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

We've drafted guys like Ladell Betts, Rock Cartright, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Derrick Dockery, Rocky McIntosh, Carlos Rogers, Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, Chris Horton, Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery and found numerous UFA gems. Now, Chris Horton might not be Sean Taylor, but he's a damn good pickup for a 7th rounder. We haven't had a lot of draft picks to work with, but the guys we've drafted have been pretty solid. To expect a team to draft gem after gem isn't very realistic.

IMO overall our drafts have been pretty week. Sean Taylor was a no brainer at the pick we got him at. Same with Samuels. But how many top picks have we wasted going for the 'sexy' pick. Falling in love with the next offensive weapon that doesn't pan out instead of going with the safe pick to build our team. How many great wide recievers have we drafted over the years with our top picks that didn't pan out. Yes we have hit on some later round picks, but we have missed on way too many of our 1st thru 3rd round picks. These are the guys that most teams build around.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Jake2008

IMO overall our drafts have been pretty week. Sean Taylor was a no brainer at the pick we got him at. Same with Samuels. But how many top picks have we wasted going for the 'sexy' pick. Falling in love with the next offensive weapon that doesn't pan out instead of going with the safe pick to build our team. How many great wide recievers have we drafted over the years with our top picks that didn't pan out. Yes we have hit on some later round picks, but we have missed on way too many of our 1st thru 3rd round picks. These are the guys that most teams build around.

Well, I'm not counting this year because it's too early to pass judgement. So with that caveat, I think we've drafted a wide receiver in the first 3 rounds once in the past 13 years

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Jake2008

IMO overall our drafts have been pretty week. Sean Taylor was a no brainer at the pick we got him at. Same with Samuels. But how many top picks have we wasted going for the 'sexy' pick. Falling in love with the next offensive weapon that doesn't pan out instead of going with the safe pick to build our team. How many great wide recievers have we drafted over the years with our top picks that didn't pan out. Yes we have hit on some later round picks, but we have missed on way too many of our 1st thru 3rd round picks. These are the guys that most teams build around.

The last Redskins first round pick that wasn't a borderline pro-bowler or better was Patrick Ramsey in 2002. And he was the last pick in the round. Since that was seven years ago, I'd say the point is bunk that we haven't drafted well at the top of drafts. It's more that we...haven't had picks to get good players with.

And if somebody wanted to make the argument that Ramsey would have been a pro bowler in 2005 had he been the starter, I'd hear it. Before Ramsey, it was Rod Gardner, and now were really dating ourselves.

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, I'm not counting this year because it's too early to pass judgement. So with that caveat, I think we've drafted a wide receiver in the first 3 rounds once in the past 13 years

I agree it is still too early to pass judgement for this year, but it is not looking good and IMO we shouldn't have used all 3 picks on receivers with so many other needs.

Westbrook (1995) and Gardner (2001) and of course Howard just before that. You would think after these 3 we would have learned a lesson. Then we have the QBs (Shuler, Ramsey and Campbell) that 2 were busts and the jury is still out on Campbell. Compare these to the defense players and offensive line guys we took that have all pretty much panned out and you get my point.

[GTripp0012]

Our second round picks have been less fruitful though, ranging from mildly disappointing (Rocky Mac) to full out bust (Taylor Jacobs), with picks like Ladell Betts in between.

[steveb]

man, i don't know why we don't see campbells name coming up more. there are plenty of qb's in the league who get just as much pressure as he does. i'm tired of hearing, he's young. one day, we need him to just make a play out of nothin. good, not great qbs do it all the time!!!!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Jake2008

IMO overall our drafts have been pretty week. Sean Taylor was a no brainer at the pick we got him at. Same with Samuels. But how many top picks have we wasted going for the 'sexy' pick. Falling in love with the next offensive weapon that doesn't pan out instead of going with the safe pick to build our team. How many great wide recievers have we drafted over the years with our top picks that didn't pan out. Yes we have hit on some later round picks, but we have missed on way too many of our 1st thru 3rd round picks. These are the guys that most teams build around.

I just wanted to point out that at the time, ALOT of the thoughts were that Gibbs was going to take Kellen Winslow Jr. with that pick. Instead he got ST, and Cooley in the 3rd round. Now that's a good draft!

[charlielyons]

Originally Posted by steveb

man, i don't know why we don't see campbells name coming up more. there are plenty of qb's in the league who get just as much pressure as he does. i'm tired of hearing, he's young. one day, we need him to just make a play out of nothin. good, not great qbs do it all the time!!!!

The WCO is a minimal blocking scheme the majority of the time. the running backs and fullbacks are expected to catch passes, unless its a 2 tight end set. JC has too slow of a release and cant read defenses quick enough for this offense. He may be a great quarterback somewhere else or in a diffrent scheme, but as long as Zorn is running a WCO scheme, Campbell will always be average

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Our second round picks have been less fruitful though, ranging from mildly disappointing (Rocky Mac) to full out bust (Taylor Jacobs), with picks like Ladell Betts in between.

I agree, I said the first 3 rounds are generally where most teams build their core from and we haven't done that. Yes we have hit on some of these picks, but we missed badly on alot of them also. People tend to forget about the busts and only remember the good picks. We need to get someone in the organization that does alot better job of ranking college players and hits on more of our top picks. We also need to stop trading away picks.

[DarkKnight]

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[beemnsevenspop]

Originally Posted by skinsfan1987

The bottom line is that the redskins don't match up well with physical teams like the giants, steelers, and cowboys. Lucky, we have a favorable schedule down the stretch, and we can easily finish 10-6 or 11-5 hopefully.

Methinks thou doth hope WAAAAAAAAAAY too optimistically!!!! The squeaker in Seattle will undoubtedly prove to be the last W of the season......

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by beemnsevenspop

Methinks thou doth hope WAAAAAAAAAAY too optimistically!!!! The squeaker in Seattle will undoubtedly prove to be the last W of the season......

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, eh? Are you really Beem's dad?

[MTK]

Like father like son I guess.

I can't just can't see going 0-4 even under the worst circumstances.

[Mr.Redskin]

Warning this may cause sever rash and fainting from hypothetical visioning. The following does not reflect the views of Warpath or its affiliated members. Caution is advised

Maybe its like My Name is Earl. We have undo all the wrong we have caused.

I'm calling for a massive rehiring of Snottenheimer, Spurrier I'm sure he has even more guns of fun, Guys like Norv or Pettibone who know the game, Ramsey, Wuerfel, Rise again MBrunell, Heath Schuler for depth, Jacobs, Lloyd, Rod the Bod Gardner, ARCHULeta, Chad Morton, MWestrook, Tre Johnson, JTrotter, MBarrows, inactives rejoin as coaches-B.Smith, DSanders, they list goes on and on. We need to draft the next Desmond Howard people. Bring back impactful guys like TJDuckett. MCarrier and Dana Stubblefield.

It must be spring to air such honesty, this is the voice of reason

Now I must throw up.