Giants vs. Redskins Defensive GT Review: Suprisingly effective DL does little good

[MTK]

I like Monty, but Gtripp, I've seen a fair share of plays over his career where he gets his ass shoved all over the place. Perhaps it's his intensity, and that's where Golston definitely has him beat. The guy is definitely talented, but until he gets that eye of the tiger and plays all out on every snap, I just don't see him ever reaching Pro Bowl level of play. I think that's his "achilles heel", no pun intended.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I like Monty, but Gtripp, I've seen a fair share of plays over his career where he gets his ass shoved all over the place. Perhaps it's his intensity, and that's where Golston definitely has him beat. The guy is definitely talented, but until he gets that eye of the tiger and plays all out on every snap, I just don't see him ever reaching Pro Bowl level of play. I think that's his "achilles heel", no pun intended.

These plays, I think, occur with him playing the three technique. He just looks lost in space. Dillweed, if you read his stuff, noticed this early this year. When teams run the stretch at him, or screens, or the draw play, and can stretch the gap size on the line of scrimmage, he's much more likely to get sealed out of the play or even out leveraged in a double team and driven 8-10 yards out of the play.

On the nose (which is traditionally Golston's position), he seems far more comfortable. He does get a little high sometimes, but I was comparing him to Kris Jenkins: a flawed but incredibly dominant player. I stand by the comparison.

If he has an effort issue, it's not on the tape. Just like most big guys, if you get under his pads you can take him where you want him to go in the running game. He seems to do a good job getting the first blow in though, especially against Centers, since they have to snap the ball first.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

These plays, I think, occur with him playing the three technique. He just looks lost in space. Dillweed, if you read his stuff, noticed this early this year. When teams run the stretch at him, or screens, or the draw play, and can stretch the gap size on the line of scrimmage, he's much more likely to get sealed out of the play or even out leveraged in a double team and driven 8-10 yards out of the play.

On the nose (which is traditionally Golston's position), he seems far more comfortable. He does get a little high sometimes, but I was comparing him to Kris Jenkins: a flawed but incredibly dominant player. I stand by the comparison.

If he has an effort issue, it's not on the tape. Just like most big guys, if you get under his pads you can take him where you want him to go in the running game. He seems to do a good job getting the first blow in though, especially against Centers, since they have to snap the ball first.

Ok good point, I can buy the stuff about him playing the three technique and simply not being suited for that spot, but in regard to his effort and concentration that's kinda been a knock on him since he came out of college, and it seems to be something that Blache has brought up about him and why he favors Golston over him. I do agree with your point that he's a flawed but dominant player, and I would like to see him get more snaps and Blache should do more to get the best out of his abilities.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I like Monty, but Gtripp, I've seen a fair share of plays over his career where he gets his ass shoved all over the place. Perhaps it's his intensity, and that's where Golston definitely has him beat. The guy is definitely talented, but until he gets that eye of the tiger and plays all out on every snap, I just don't see him ever reaching Pro Bowl level of play. I think that's his "achilles heel", no pun intended.

I agree Matty.
Sorry GTripp but I do not see what you see in Montgomery. He is definitely not the 'lone dominant player' on our defense. He is good and getting better, but he is not dominant by any stretch. If you haven't seen him play poorly in the past, it does not mean it did not happen.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree Matty.
Sorry GTripp but I do not see what you see in Montgomery. He is definitely not the 'lone dominant player' on our defense. He is good and getting better, but he is not dominant by any stretch. If you haven't seen him play poorly in the past, it does not mean it did not happen.

I think you'll have to forgive me for going with my eyes here, then. Looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think you'll have to forgive me for going with my eyes here, then. Looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I like that you did not take offense by me disagreeing with you. There have been some very angry/sensitive people on here lately. You are not only smart but also a gentlemen. Keep up the good work.
We can agree to disagree.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I like that you did not take offense by me disagreeing with you. There have been some very angry/sensitive people on here lately. You are not only smart but also a gentlemen. Keep up the good work.
We can agree to disagree.

Thank you, sir. Same respect to you.

[70Chip]

The defense is definitely not the problem. The problem is the passing game and the inability to sustain drives. If we get a 5 yard penalty or lose two yards on a run, we can't recover and convert a first down. There is no explosiveness in this offense. It's overly cautious and it's infuriating to watch. Zorn doesn't even try to attack a defense until halfway through the third quarter.

Also, special teams is noticably down from the last four years, which is not surprising since most coaches will not spend as much time on it as Gibbs did. Gibbs was obsessed with special teams and rightfully so.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I like that you did not take offense by me disagreeing with you. There have been some very angry/sensitive people on here lately. You are not only smart but also a gentlemen. Keep up the good work.
We can agree to disagree.

Good thread and proof that we can all disagree on things and keep it civil.