Holt released by Rams

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Pass.

Why would you say that...our offense sucks...Holt is fantastic...is it because of the money we'd have to pay to get him?
Are you in love with ARE or the other nobodys?
Imagine Moss and Holt while grooming the rookies...odds are 1 of em wont make it.
It is arguable that Holt is better than Moss

He is a high impact player...one that I believe we should go after hard

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Why would you say that...our offense sucks...Holt is fantastic...is it because of the money we'd have to pay to get him?
Are you in love with ARE or the other nobodys?
Imagine Moss and Holt while grooming the rookies...odds are 1 of em wont make it.
It is arguable that Holt is better than Moss

He is a high impact player...one that I believe we should go after hard

Are you really serious? Holt is 33 and ain't getting any younger. We have two young WR'S that need to prove their worth. It makes no sense to get Holt, were not in fantasy football. Our offense does not suck, and Holt it is not even close to Moss talent wise. Seriously dude, quit grabbin on Holt's jock, HE'S NOT THAT GOOD!! There's a reason why the Rams didn't pay the roster bonus to keep him. That alone should tell you something.

[Zerohero]

Is "Roster Bonus Year" code for "year he will get cut no matter"? Seems like most teams would keep some veterans or at least not go through the motions of cutting just to resign if there were no roster bonus provisions.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Are you really serious? Holt is 33 and ain't getting any younger. We have two young WR'S that need to prove their worth. It makes no sense to get Holt, were not in fantasy football. Our offense does not suck, and Holt it is not even close to Moss talent wise. Seriously dude, quit grabbin on Holt's jock, HE'S NOT THAT GOOD!! There's a reason why the Rams didn't pay the roster bonus to keep him. That alone should tell you something.

I agree. We've got two young WRs to develop, it doesn't make much sense to chase an aging WR who has clearly lost a step. We have other more pressing needs.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree. We've got two young WRs to develop, it doesn't make much sense to chase an aging WR who has clearly lost a step. We have other more pressing needs.

Has he lost a step? I don't know that. He played for a very bad team that beat the Skins 19-17. A home game at that. Kelly knees I am not sold on and most likly was a bad pick. Thomas I hope makes it. As for Holt I love to see if he has anything left but we don't have the cash anyway. Dose Pace have anything left? If he did could he move over to RT for a few years?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Has he lost a step? I don't know that. He played for a very bad team that beat the Skins 19-17. A home game at that. Kelly knees I am not sold on and most likly was a bad pick. Thomas I hope makes it. As for Holt I love to see if he has anything left but we don't have the cash anyway. Dose Pace have anything left? If he did could he move over to RT for a few years?

Torry Holt's release is not surprising given his decline and opens the door for Donnie Avery. - ESPN

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Torry Holt's release is not surprising given his decline and opens the door for Donnie Avery. - ESPN

Deep threat is not what we need. Over the middle and a good rout runner. I love to see him along with Moss and Thomas see what they could do. But not going to happen with RT,DE and LB needs and No Cash left. Don't get me wrong love the off season pick ups but to throw all that money at three players with three other needs left is short sided.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Deep threat is not what we need. Over the middle and a good rout runner. I love to see him along with Moss and Thomas see what they could do. But not going to happen with RT,DE and LB needs and No Cash left. Don't get me wrong love the off season pick ups but to throw all that money at three players with three other needs left is short sided.

Hopefully that can be Kelly

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Deep threat is not what we need. Over the middle and a good rout runner. I love to see him along with Moss and Thomas see what they could do. But not going to happen with RT,DE and LB needs and No Cash left. Don't get me wrong love the off season pick ups but to throw all that money at three players with three other needs left is short sided.

how would spreading the money around and signing 6 average players across all our need positions be showing a long term approach? spreading the money around in one year just ensures more mediocraty.

what's short-sighted is wanting to get 6 average players in one year instead of getting 3 star players this year, one more in the draft, and address the other 2 positions with excellent players next year. we can't fix everything at once. the teams actions this offseason show the team is taking a long term approach.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree. We've got two young WRs to develop, it doesn't make much sense to chase an aging WR who has clearly lost a step. We have other more pressing needs.

Two young Wrs that are more than likely going to be Taylor Jacobs redux, not to mention a shorty in Moss that is getting banged up, and ARE that is unreliable. Face it, Holt is an upgrade even with his age.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Are you really serious? Holt is 33 and ain't getting any younger. We have two young WR'S that need to prove their worth. It makes no sense to get Holt, were not in fantasy football. Our offense does not suck, and Holt it is not even close to Moss talent wise. Seriously dude, quit grabbin on Holt's jock, HE'S NOT THAT GOOD!! There's a reason why the Rams didn't pay the roster bonus to keep him. That alone should tell you something.

I know Holt's age...he's got 3 solid years left...he is a 7 time probowler...the rookies have shown zero so far and ARE is average at best...yes Moss is solid...if he is on the field...if he goes down we have no WR threats...
and the offense does suck...what...I think 28th in the league or something?
How's that good?

Holt hasn't missed a game ....EVER...keep that in mind.
He is rock solid and I'm telling you...if the Eagles or Dallas get's him, they are instantly better...we would be too...just because Taylor didn't do well, doesn't mean Holt wouldn't...I bet if you were offered Holt prior to last year yardage drop, you'd be humping his leg....be realistic...there is NO chance either of the Rookies will ever reach Holts level....quite frankly, I doubt Moss will either...and no way ARE even belongs in the same sentance.
Holt is solid...he would make the WR team instantly better...unless you think Thrash is our clutch vet that can train up the rookies....Duh back to you.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I know Holt's age...he's got 3 solid years left...he is a 7 time probowler...the rookies have shown zero so far and ARE is average at best...yes Moss is solid...if he is on the field...if he goes down we have no WR threats...
and the offense does suck...what...I think 28th in the league or something?
How's that good?

Holt hasn't missed a game ....EVER...keep that in mind.
He is rock solid and I'm telling you...if the Eagles or Dallas get's him, they are instantly better...we would be too...just because Taylor didn't do well, doesn't mean Holt wouldn't...I bet if you were offered Holt prior to last year yardage drop, you'd be humping his leg....be realistic...there is NO chance either of the Rookies will ever reach Holts level....quite frankly, I doubt Moss will either...and no way ARE even belongs in the same sentance.
Holt is solid...he would make the WR team instantly better...unless you think Thrash is our clutch vet that can train up the rookies....Duh back to you.

Sometimes I'm glad fans aren't GM's because we'd really suck. First off the reason why our offense "sucked" was because our pass pro was awful, it was not the receivers fault. Many people have already said this, you have to give Kelley and Thomas a chance to develope, 1 year is not enough. Don't you realize WR is not a need? What does that tell Thomas and Kelley if we got Holt? You were probably one of those guys that wanted TO in DC. He's 33 and declining it makes no sense to sign him considering he played in the spread O not the WCO. What's up with this love fetish w/ Holt? WE'RE NOT PLAYING FANTASY FOOTBALL DUDE!!! You can't have every big name FA that gets released, you have to be realistic, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN BUDDY!

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Sometimes I'm glad fans aren't GM's because we'd really suck. First off the reason why our offense "sucked" was because our pass pro was awful, it was not the receivers fault. Many people have already said this, you have to give Kelley and Thomas a chance to develope, 1 year is not enough. Don't you realize WR is not a need? What does that tell Thomas and Kelley if we got Holt? You were probably one of those guys that wanted TO in DC. He's 33 and declining it makes no sense to sign him considering he played in the spread O not the WCO. What's up with this love fetish w/ Holt? WE'RE NOT PLAYING FANTASY FOOTBALL DUDE!!! You can't have every big name FA that gets released, you have to be realistic, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN BUDDY!

WR not a need?..Ha...that is why the used our best 3 picks last year on pass catchers.

Not WR fault?...too simplified.
So far...Thomas can't run a route and often makes mental errors, Kelly's injuries keep him from playing...and heres a coaching issue...where was our double tight end set for Davis?

I agree that you need to play these guys, but, c'mon...do it in practice...if they can't outperform a "supposed" sucky declining Holt...don't play em...its that simple.
There is no way Thomas or Kelly are even close to Holt at this point...even if he has slowed a bit.
In the old days...we did it this way...
You get the best players...and you play the best players.
If you ever have an opportunity to make your team better you do it.
If the rookies get their panties in a wad...screw em...perform better to earn your right on the field...it only makes them better.

BTW.
I absolutely did not wan't TO, don't start slinging out BS assumptions without doing any research...it only pissed people off....suggesting that I always jump all over any FA is a joke...and I can tell you have done no research at all. Holt is unique...and so is this particular situation...we have a fairly unproductive group of receivers...Holt has no issues, and has had an amazinging consistent career...if your argument is about his decline being real...I understand...if it is about system, I see that...if it is about turf vs grass...again valid....but to put me in a box of FO whores to discredit my point about an individual player only shows you don't understand the argument.

I can be swayed by those who say Holt has declined since many of those with that opinion I hold in high regard. I also understand the point about Special teams.

At this point, I would be excited if we got him but would not be depressed if we didn't. Oline LB DE are greater needs...I just dont see superstars...or even aging ones falling off the trees there...and our D is pretty damn good...Portis is great...so that leaves Oline and WR IF an established #2 reciever falls in your lap without trading draft picks.

That is why this particular FA is different and worthy of discussion.
I personally don't see any harm done to young WR's that don't have a clue yet. Cream always finds a way to rise to the top.