Greg Blache Defensive Scheme!!

[MTK]

I'd like to see what happens this year before we start penciling in a new DC.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor

I believe that if we do not get a constant pass rush with Haynesworth in the middle and Orakpo I believe that Blache will be fired and that Aggressive Jerry Gray would take over. Jim Zorn has already stated that we need a big pass rush this season, which is probably the main reason we paid Haynesworth all that money. I'm tired of stopping the run first then pass rush. We need to stop the run on the way to the quarterback. I believe that Blache is holding the d-line back from making a lot of plays. It was like our defense was a bend but don't break defense which helped us to 4th overall defense which I believe is good but not a dominating one. I believe that this defense could be up there with the Pittsburghs, Baltimores and Titans. You win with Championship Defense. If the offense improves and we still do not get to the quarterback then we will be looking at 8-8 again folks. What do you guys think about Blache's scheme? Should he be fired if no improvements in the sack department?

As much as I wish Blache was more creative with the overall scheme on defense, at the end of the day we still had the 4th best.
I just wish we used more disguise to get pressure.
We wouldn't have to bring extra guys all the time if we could create a half second of confusion.
I wish we did some overloads blitzing, some fire-zone and zone-dogs.
But, you don't fire a DC because you don't like his style.

If the pass rush doesn't improve dramatically i think that we need to take a hard look at letting Coach Palermo go kick rocks.

I would love for Coach Gray to take over as DC, but 2 years ago Synder basically begged Coach Blache not to retire to coach the defense how can he then turn around and fire him?

Blache would have to retire for Gray to take over, hopefully Gray will still be around.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 30gut

As much as I wish Blache was more creative with the overall scheme on defense, at the end of the day we still had the 4th best.
I just wish we used more disguise to get pressure.
We wouldn't have to bring extra guys all the time if we could create a half second of confusion.
I wish we did some overloads blitzing, some fire-zone and zone-dogs.
But, you don't fire a DC because you don't like his style.

If the pass rush doesn't improve dramatically i think that we need to take a hard look at letting Coach Palermo go kick rocks.

I would love for Coach Gray to take over as DC, but 2 years ago Synder basically begged Coach Blache not to retire to coach the defense how can he then turn around and fire him?

Blache would have to retire for Gray to take over, hopefully Gray will still be around.

Well said.

[RedBar]

Uhhh...mazing! You take a group of guys that are probably not the most talented, get them to play consistently well over the course of a long injury riddled season where very often the offense wasn't doing them any favors, they finish fourth overall and you get a couple of armchair Ditka's that think you get bonus points for sacks to post a ridiculous thread like this. If I were him and I read this I might retire or worse bring my mediocre scheme to Dallas and leave us with the proven accomplishments of Jerry Gray.

[RedBar]

As for this scheme comparison... everybody would like to play like Jim Johnson(i.e. Gregg Williams) but before you do you better make sure you have Jim Johnson talent.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by RedBar

Uhhh...mazing! You take a group of guys that are probably not the most talented, get them to play consistently well over the course of a long injury riddled season where very often the offense wasn't doing them any favors, they finish fourth overall and you get a couple of armchair Ditka's that think you get bonus points for sacks to post a ridiculous thread like this. If I were him and I read this I might retire or worse bring my mediocre scheme to Dallas and leave us with the proven accomplishments of Jerry Gray.

While I know it's not easy, try not to take it too personal. People are just voicing their opinions. You should know that goes with the territory

[70Chip]

I pretend that I understand offense. I don't pretend to understand defense. Prior to Williams and Blache our defense sucked. After they arrived we learned to tackle overnight, became disciplined, and seemed to care about the game. I'll take my chances with Blache. Maybe the game will pass him by, but that is a better option than his predecessors who had never caught up with it.

Now I'll pretend to understand defense for a minute. Blache's philosophy seems to be:

1. Tie up the interior of the O-Line. Don't let them get moving. Don't get out-muscled between the tackles.

2. Let the WRs smell your stinky breath from the first snap and all day. Make the officials throw a flag. Don't assume the field belongs to them.

3. Use your LBS to attack the QB from the 3rd read side of the field. If T.O. is Wide Left, bring pressure from the Left. Force the QB into his reads. I think this is why McNabb is so often flummoxed against us. He can't throw to his first read. He then freezes and does his little dance.

4. Tackle. The Redskins immediately became a better tackling defense after Williams and Blache arrived. I also think Gibbs deserves credit here, as the whole team also became more physical.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RedBar

If I were him and I read this I might retire or worse bring my mediocre scheme to Dallas and leave us with the proven accomplishments of Jerry Gray.

I hope Greg isn't that thin skinned

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by 30gut

As much as I wish Blache was more creative with the overall scheme on defense, at the end of the day we still had the 4th best.
I just wish we used more disguise to get pressure.
We wouldn't have to bring extra guys all the time if we could create a half second of confusion.
I wish we did some overloads blitzing, some fire-zone and zone-dogs.
But, you don't fire a DC because you don't like his style.

If the pass rush doesn't improve dramatically i think that we need to take a hard look at letting Coach Palermo go kick rocks.

I would love for Coach Gray to take over as DC, but 2 years ago Synder basically begged Coach Blache not to retire to coach the defense how can he then turn around and fire him?

Blache would have to retire for Gray to take over, hopefully Gray will still be around.

Good points, I was thinking the same thing; Blache seems to have this cut n dry approach to play calling; he's either going to blitz or not. There's little disguise to the blitzes & he's methodical & predictable about when they come.

Teams figured this out & simply went to their best matchup, e.g. against cincy on a key 3rd down he blitzed & left Smoot 1 on 1 w/Housh. Easy 1st down because our guys were easy to pick up for that extra couple seconds the qb needs.

I feel like the D over achieved to a point but lacked true shut down ability that a top 5 D typically has. They made offenses work hard, but they didn't scare anybody. Hopefully that changes this year. In a few crucial games the D couldn't make a big stand, see St. Louis, Cincy, SF & Balt. games. (I realize they were usually on the field a long time)

[Pocket$ $traight]

So let me get this straight. Our offense scores 16 points a game and is one of the worst in the league but we are going to fire the guy who led us to the 4th best defense in the league the season after we tragically lose our best defensive player.

Sounds like a great idea... I think the Cutler trade makes more sense than this.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

So let me get this straight. Our offense scores 16 points a game and is one of the worst in the league but we are going to fire the guy who led us to the 4th best defense in the league the season after we tragically lose our best defensive player.

Sounds like a great idea... I think the Cutler trade makes more sense than this.

Well said.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

So let me get this straight. Our offense scores 16 points a game and is one of the worst in the league but we are going to fire the guy who led us to the 4th best defense in the league the season after we tragically lose our best defensive player.

Pittsburgh
Baltimore
Philadelphia
Tennessee
Minnesota

All undeniably better defenses than we were last year. That's five.

Then there's the Tampa's, Chicago's, Dallas', and New York Giants' who we were ranked above, but I feel had a stronger defensive effort from start of year to finish than we did.

And by the end of the year, the Indy's and Cincinnati's of the world were stingier in point giving than we were.

Still, there's something to be said for even an average defensive effort in the wake of the loss of your best young talent. Credit goes where it's due. But lets not blow it out of proportion, we made a ton of defensive mistakes last year. I think we'll be noticeably and obviously better this year.

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Pittsburgh
Baltimore
Philadelphia
Tennessee
Minnesota

All undeniably better defenses than we were last year. That's five.

Then there's the Tampa's, Chicago's, Dallas', and New York Giants' who we were ranked above, but I feel had a stronger defensive effort from start of year to finish than we did.

And by the end of the year, the Indy's and Cincinnati's of the world were stingier in point giving than we were.

Still, there's something to be said for even an average defensive effort in the wake of the loss of your best young talent. Credit goes where it's due. But lets not blow it out of proportion, we made a ton of defensive mistakes last year. I think we'll be noticeably and obviously better this year.

If we are undeniably a worse defense than Philly how did we beat em twice, because our offense or special teams undeniably is not better than Philly's. You're just looking at it based on hype from the media. If you look at results we gave up 4th lowest yard total and 6th lowest point total. And oif course people are going to come back with we didn't cause enough turnovers and that's true, but when you play a riskier style you also give up big plays. We played solid and that's why the overall stats are good. And in terms of turnovers, I believe we were 2nd in the NFL in 3 and outs, which is basically a turnover, same as a 30 yard interception for example.

Also, I thought I heard talk about Blache possibly retiring after this year and sticking around for one more year. I don't know his contract or anything like that, but I hope he does retire after this year so we can get Gray. I expect the defense to be good this year which may keep Blache around, and if it does I expect Gray to be gone with another D-coordinator job.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by an23dy

If we are undeniably a worse defense than Philly how did we beat em twice, because our offense or special teams undeniably is not better than Philly's. You're just looking at it based on hype from the media. If you look at results we gave up 4th lowest yard total and 6th lowest point total. And oif course people are going to come back with we didn't cause enough turnovers and that's true, but when you play a riskier style you also give up big plays. We played solid and that's why the overall stats are good. And in terms of turnovers, I believe we were 2nd in the NFL in 3 and outs, which is basically a turnover, same as a 30 yard interception for example.

Also, I thought I heard talk about Blache possibly retiring after this year and sticking around for one more year. I don't know his contract or anything like that, but I hope he does retire after this year so we can get Gray. I expect the defense to be good this year which may keep Blache around, and if it does I expect Gray to be gone with another D-coordinator job.

Yeah, I would argue about Philly's D being undeniably better. Two times they were on the field the same day and ours was better. Plus I don't think that anyone would say our offense was better than Philly's so our D had the tougher task.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by an23dy

If we are undeniably a worse defense than Philly how did we beat em twice, because our offense or special teams undeniably is not better than Philly's. You're just looking at it based on hype from the media.

This argument is akin to saying something like, "if meteorologists are undeniably better predictors of weather than sportscasters, then how come it rained yesterday?" It's neither here nor there. Philadelphia was ranked ahead of us by every defensive measure, points, yards, etc, and they had to defend way, way more drives.

If you look at results we gave up 4th lowest yard total and 6th lowest point total. And oif course people are going to come back with we didn't cause enough turnovers and that's true, but when you play a riskier style you also give up big plays. We played solid and that's why the overall stats are good. And in terms of turnovers, I believe we were 2nd in the NFL in 3 and outs, which is basically a turnover, same as a 30 yard interception for example.

Also, I thought I heard talk about Blache possibly retiring after this year and sticking around for one more year. I don't know his contract or anything like that, but I hope he does retire after this year so we can get Gray. I expect the defense to be good this year which may keep Blache around, and if it does I expect Gray to be gone with another D-coordinator job.

Per game yardage totals and points totals don't consider how often you faced an opponents drive, because the style of the offense (slow vs. fast) will affect how many drives a defense has to defend. Also, a defense that struggles to get off the field will have to face fewer drives. We actually weren't very good at getting three and outs, as much as we were at eventually forcing punts.

But it was a few things that put us behind the Tampa's and Chicago's of the world in defense last year, and I think turnovers are a big part of that. I don't have any doubt that they will improve in those phases this year, Blache-permitting. Interesting points, you make.