Greg Blache Defensive Scheme!!

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Pittsburgh
Baltimore
Philadelphia
Tennessee
Minnesota

All undeniably better defenses than we were last year. That's five.

Then there's the Tampa's, Chicago's, Dallas', and New York Giants' who we were ranked above, but I feel had a stronger defensive effort from start of year to finish than we did.

And by the end of the year, the Indy's and Cincinnati's of the world were stingier in point giving than we were.

Still, there's something to be said for even an average defensive effort in the wake of the loss of your best young talent. Credit goes where it's due. But lets not blow it out of proportion, we made a ton of defensive mistakes last year. I think we'll be noticeably and obviously better this year.

If we are undeniably a worse defense than Philly how did we beat em twice, because our offense or special teams undeniably is not better than Philly's. You're just looking at it based on hype from the media. If you look at results we gave up 4th lowest yard total and 6th lowest point total. And oif course people are going to come back with we didn't cause enough turnovers and that's true, but when you play a riskier style you also give up big plays. We played solid and that's why the overall stats are good. And in terms of turnovers, I believe we were 2nd in the NFL in 3 and outs, which is basically a turnover, same as a 30 yard interception for example.

Also, I thought I heard talk about Blache possibly retiring after this year and sticking around for one more year. I don't know his contract or anything like that, but I hope he does retire after this year so we can get Gray. I expect the defense to be good this year which may keep Blache around, and if it does I expect Gray to be gone with another D-coordinator job.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by an23dy

If we are undeniably a worse defense than Philly how did we beat em twice, because our offense or special teams undeniably is not better than Philly's. You're just looking at it based on hype from the media. If you look at results we gave up 4th lowest yard total and 6th lowest point total. And oif course people are going to come back with we didn't cause enough turnovers and that's true, but when you play a riskier style you also give up big plays. We played solid and that's why the overall stats are good. And in terms of turnovers, I believe we were 2nd in the NFL in 3 and outs, which is basically a turnover, same as a 30 yard interception for example.

Also, I thought I heard talk about Blache possibly retiring after this year and sticking around for one more year. I don't know his contract or anything like that, but I hope he does retire after this year so we can get Gray. I expect the defense to be good this year which may keep Blache around, and if it does I expect Gray to be gone with another D-coordinator job.

Yeah, I would argue about Philly's D being undeniably better. Two times they were on the field the same day and ours was better. Plus I don't think that anyone would say our offense was better than Philly's so our D had the tougher task.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by an23dy

If we are undeniably a worse defense than Philly how did we beat em twice, because our offense or special teams undeniably is not better than Philly's. You're just looking at it based on hype from the media.

This argument is akin to saying something like, "if meteorologists are undeniably better predictors of weather than sportscasters, then how come it rained yesterday?" It's neither here nor there. Philadelphia was ranked ahead of us by every defensive measure, points, yards, etc, and they had to defend way, way more drives.

If you look at results we gave up 4th lowest yard total and 6th lowest point total. And oif course people are going to come back with we didn't cause enough turnovers and that's true, but when you play a riskier style you also give up big plays. We played solid and that's why the overall stats are good. And in terms of turnovers, I believe we were 2nd in the NFL in 3 and outs, which is basically a turnover, same as a 30 yard interception for example.

Also, I thought I heard talk about Blache possibly retiring after this year and sticking around for one more year. I don't know his contract or anything like that, but I hope he does retire after this year so we can get Gray. I expect the defense to be good this year which may keep Blache around, and if it does I expect Gray to be gone with another D-coordinator job.

Per game yardage totals and points totals don't consider how often you faced an opponents drive, because the style of the offense (slow vs. fast) will affect how many drives a defense has to defend. Also, a defense that struggles to get off the field will have to face fewer drives. We actually weren't very good at getting three and outs, as much as we were at eventually forcing punts.

But it was a few things that put us behind the Tampa's and Chicago's of the world in defense last year, and I think turnovers are a big part of that. I don't have any doubt that they will improve in those phases this year, Blache-permitting. Interesting points, you make.

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This argument is akin to saying something like, "if meteorologists are undeniably better predictors of weather than sportscasters, then how come it rained yesterday?" It's neither here nor there. Philadelphia was ranked ahead of us by every defensive measure, points, yards, etc, and they had to defend way, way more drives.

Per game yardage totals and points totals don't consider how often you faced an opponents drive, because the style of the offense (slow vs. fast) will affect how many drives a defense has to defend. Also, a defense that struggles to get off the field will have to face fewer drives. We actually weren't very good at getting three and outs, as much as we were at eventually forcing punts.

But it was a few things that put us behind the Tampa's and Chicago's of the world in defense last year, and I think turnovers are a big part of that. I don't have any doubt that they will improve in those phases this year, Blache-permitting. Interesting points, you make.

First of all, you can't say that it is not important that our defense outperformed their defense twice, on the field, head-to-head. Your point is completely arbitrary from the perspective you think that fact is meaningless. You're choosing which facts are relevant and which are not. 4th and 6th in yards and points respectively and 2nd in 3 and outs, good TOP, then you're doing things right, and you're just breaking it down into whatever stats you think are important. If you say the Steelers can't have the best defense because they are ranked 26th in penalty yards and 23rd in forced fumbles. I can base my arguments on whatever stats I choose as well. Let's say strength of schedule...what if the Saints played the Lions 16 times a year, their stats on defense would be better, but I wouldn't say they had a better defense than the Redskins last year. We had a tough schedule in the NFC East going up against good offenses, while the AFC North plays bad offenses and it inflates their stats.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by an23dy

First of all, you can't say that it is not important that our defense outperformed their defense twice, on the field, head-to-head. Your point is completely arbitrary from the perspective you think that fact is meaningless. You're choosing which facts are relevant and which are not. 4th and 6th in yards and points respectively and 2nd in 3 and outs, good TOP, then you're doing things right, and you're just breaking it down into whatever stats you think are important. If you say the Steelers can't have the best defense because they are ranked 26th in penalty yards and 23rd in forced fumbles. I can base my arguments on whatever stats I choose as well. Let's say strength of schedule...what if the Saints played the Lions 16 times a year, their stats on defense would be better, but I wouldn't say they had a better defense than the Redskins last year. We had a tough schedule in the NFC East going up against good offenses, while the AFC North plays bad offenses and it inflates their stats.

Why would our stats be of equal value if mine clearly answer the question at hand more directly?

I don't ask this as to say, "I'm right and your wrong", but while I think you bring some good points, I don't think your stats are backing what you think they are backing.

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Also, I thought I heard talk about Blache possibly retiring after this year and sticking around for one more year. I don't know his contract or anything like that, but I hope he does retire after this year so we can get Gray. I expect the defense to be good this year which may keep Blache around, and if it does I expect Gray to be gone with another D-coordinator job.[/QUOTE]

and where have Gray's defenses been ranked over the last 20 or so years??? I bet you thought we should trade for Cutler too.