What NFL teams do you have your eye on this year?

[The Goat]

Hmmm...

Aside from us the Saints are my next biggest interest. Probably won't see Williams turn the defense around in one year but they should be much improved, which basically makes NO an immediate NFC contender cuz that offense is so potent. If Peyton and the crew manages the team well NO should be in the SB within the next few years.

Also the Bengals. Palmer was very good before injury set in and has already started to talk up the season quite a bit. Now Cinci has my favorite defensive player from the draft in Rey-Rey...i would hope Cinci could at least compete in its division now.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Hmmm...

Aside from us the Saints are my next biggest interest. Probably won't see Williams turn the defense around in one year but they should be much improved, which basically makes NO an immediate NFC contender cuz that offense is so potent. If Peyton and the crew manages the team well NO should be in the SB within the next few years.

Also the Bengals. Palmer was very good before injury set in and has already started to talk up the season quite a bit. Now Cinci has my favorite defensive player from the draft in Rey-Rey...i would hope Cinci could at least compete in its division now.

I think Grilliams is way over-rated in these parts. He was a terrible head coach in Buffalo, was up and down here (top 10 defenses and 31st ranked also) and was a HUGE bust last year in Jacksonville. We'll see if he can turn the Saints defense into anything. I agree with you on Cincy, they could be in a similar position as us with Lewis and Palmer. Another poor year and they could be ready to move on from both.

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I think Grilliams is way over-rated in these parts. He was a terrible head coach in Buffalo, was up and down here (top 10 defenses and 31st ranked also) and was a HUGE bust last year in Jacksonville. We'll see if he can turn the Saints defense into anything. I agree with you on Cincy, they could be in a similar position as us with Lewis and Palmer. Another poor year and they could be ready to move on from both.

His track record imo proves otherwise. Williams was a top defensive coordinator in Tennessee, his defenses were good in Buffalo even though the teams werent, overall he was really good here in Washington. Last year in Jacksonville from what I heard he had problems with other coaches and wasnt able to do everything he wanted to do. I see Gregg Williams turning the Saints around and once again being one of the top defensive coordinators in the game.

[GridIron26]

I agree with Orakpo - I think he will do fine with NO defense.. Williams is mastermind when it comes to defense, but he makes some mistakes too.. And I believe half of it can be blamed on his high pride.. Regardless, I'm rooting for him; he's one of my favorite coordinators..

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

I agree with Orakpo - I think he will do fine with NO defense.. Williams is mastermind when it comes to defense, but he makes some mistakes too.. And I believe half of it can be blamed on his high pride.. Regardless, I'm rooting for him; he's one of my favorite coordinators..

I guess Williams star got tarnished for me when he first couldn't find a way to implement Arrington (pre and post injury) and stubbornly stuck with stiffs like Warrick Holdman and also how he completely misjudged Pierce and we let him go to a division rival where he has owned us. He just seemed to be more hype than anything. His defenses never excelled in two key areas I judge a defense on, sacks and turnovers. The bend but don't break philosophy he (and Blache for that matter) employs is a recipe for disappointment in close games or vs. elite offenses.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I guess Williams star got tarnished for me when he first couldn't find a way to implement Arrington (pre and post injury) and stubbornly stuck with stiffs like Warrick Holdman and also how he completely misjudged Pierce and we let him go to a division rival where he has owned us. He just seemed to be more hype than anything. His defenses never excelled in two key areas I judge a defense on, sacks and turnovers. The bend but don't break philosophy he (and Blache for that matter) employs is a recipe for disappointment in close games or vs. elite offenses.

Unfortunately yes, most of times they have disappointed us..

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I guess Williams star got tarnished for me when he first couldn't find a way to implement Arrington (pre and post injury) and stubbornly stuck with stiffs like Warrick Holdman and also how he completely misjudged Pierce and we let him go to a division rival where he has owned us. He just seemed to be more hype than anything. His defenses never excelled in two key areas I judge a defense on, sacks and turnovers. The bend but don't break philosophy he (and Blache for that matter) employs is a recipe for disappointment in close games or vs. elite offenses.

Nice post Pain . As far as Arrington , very few coaches could get much out of him , he has made the comments that M. Lewis / Paterno did not know how to use him , yet they both have repeatedly gotten great production from far less talented men at LB over many years . I just hope like hell we sack Eli 5 or 6 times and pick him off as we stomp them on opening day !