Obama Care

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

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You cannot be an advanced society when ANY percentage of your population are denied healthcare. Take a look at defense spending in the same period. I'd be interested to see how much of a difference there is in one as opposed to the other. Too many people get wrapped up in these emotional issues with ideas being labelled "democratic, republican or, oh my heavens, socialist." Sit back, take off your partisan hat and think about the most basic question: Should everyone, let alone every US Citizen, have access to quality healthcare?

Sorry but the first bolded statement is ridiculous. Denial of healthcare happens in every society on the planet. If you think otherwise I am open to being proven wrong, but you have to show proof of one hundred percent coverage for 100% of possible medical needs. You won't be able to.

As for the second one: no. quality healthcare is not a natural right(last I checked - there is no naturally produced healthcare system - doesn't grow on trees or appear in nature, was not handed down in the 10 commandments or Koran, and is not spontaneously occuring in the universe), nor is it implied or guaranteed in our Constitution.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Sorry but the first bolded statement is ridiculous. Denial of healthcare happens in every society on the planet. If you think otherwise I am open to being proven wrong, but you have to show proof of one hundred percent coverage for 100% of possible medical needs. You won't be able to.

As for the second one: no. quality healthcare is not a natural right(last I checked - there is no naturally produced healthcare system - doesn't grow on trees or appear in nature, was not handed down in the 10 commandments or Koran, and is not spontaneously occuring in the universe), nor is it implied or guaranteed in our Constitution.

When we can provide health benefits to 100% of our citizens for a fraction of our defense spending, yeah, I say do it. It's not ridiculous, it's enlightened. To that end, i'll leave this discussion with a quote.

“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic” Fyodor Dostoyevsky

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

When we can provide health benefits to 100% of our citizens for a fraction of our defense spending, yeah, I say do it. It's not ridiculous, it's enlightened. To that end, i'll leave this discussion with a quote.

“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic” Fyodor Dostoyevsky

Ahh, we should do it because it's enlightened. We'll I can't claim to be so. Where I come from when you take money from a man's salary and give it to another it's called theft.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

When we can provide health benefits to 100% of our citizens for a fraction of our defense spending, yeah, I say do it. It's not ridiculous, it's enlightened. To that end, i'll leave this discussion with a quote.

“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic” Fyodor Dostoyevsky

You can check my posts, I am well on record that our Defense spending is outta control, but its not getting cut anytime soon. And I would love to see proof that we can give 100% coverage for 100% of health issues for a fraction of the current defense spending. You can't, the costs skyrocket faster than the space shuttle, and if you try eventually you end up limiting what can be done - in other words denying some level of healthcare to someone.

As for your quote, it seems to more appropriately apply to those who see government as a solution when the government has repeatedly proven itself inept at any type of reasonable fiscal constraint.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

When we can provide health benefits to 100% of our citizens for a fraction of our defense spending, yeah, I say do it. It's not ridiculous, it's enlightened. To that end, i'll leave this discussion with a quote.

“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic” Fyodor Dostoyevsky

What do you mean by a fraction of our defense spending? If I'm correct we are already spending more on health coverages then defense and it sure will not be a fraction.

United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia