Obama Care

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by firstdown

They want it passed before people wake up and realize what a sh!t a$$ plan he has. The term socialist for Obama is become to mild of a term.

I mean it really does kind of feel that way. Why is it so damn urgent to force something this nation will struggle to pay for for decades through so quickly?? It's not as easy for Obama and Co to play fear politics with this one like they did with the pork.. um stimulus package.

Take your time and get it right. Overhauling the entire health care system should not be a hasty process. This administration really comes off as arrogant.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I mean it really does kind of feel that way. Why is it so damn urgent to force something this nation will struggle to pay for for decades through so quickly?? It's not as easy for Obama and Co to play fear politics with this one like they did with the pork.. um stimulus package.

Take your time and get it right. Overhauling the entire health care system should not be a hasty process. This administration really comes off as arrogant.

Ahhhhhh!! Now I see the attraction for saden.

[saden1]

We elected them on the basis of what they would do for us today not tomorrow. If the job doesn't get done now it's still there waiting to be done tomorrow and who knows what tomorrow may bring?

Arrogant eh? This coming from a man who said he should be at the front of the line in the waiting room because he paid and poor people don't. Come to think of it Steve Jobs aught be able to cut in front of you in the waiting room and on the wait lists.

If anything I'm filled with love for the meek. Be careful my friend before you label, you have a few labels on your forehead already.


Joe, you keep popping up randomly taking jabs but my chin seems to be holding up just fine. Ain't no glass jaw here dog. You need to work on your hooks and uppercuts cause your jabs are ineffective.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

We elected them on the basis of what they would do for us today not tomorrow. If the job doesn't get done now it's still there waiting to be done tomorrow and who knows what tomorrow may bring?

Arrogant eh? This coming from a man who said he should be at the front of the line in the waiting room because he paid and poor people don't. Come to think of it Steve Jobs aught be able to cut in front of you in the waiting room and on the wait lists.

If anything I'm filled with love for the meek. Be careful my friend before you label, you have a few labels on your forehead already.


Joe, you keep popping up randomly taking jabs but my chin seems to be holding up just fine. Ain't no glass jaw here dog. You need to work on your hooks and uppercuts cause your jabs are ineffective.

You should have said we elected them on the bases of what they would do for us today and not worry about its cost until tommorow.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

Joe, you keep popping up randomly taking jabs but my chin seems to be holding up just fine. Ain't no glass jaw here dog. You need to work on your hooks and uppercuts cause your jabs are ineffective.

Fair enough.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I mean it really does kind of feel that way. Why is it so damn urgent to force something this nation will struggle to pay for for decades through so quickly?? It's not as easy for Obama and Co to play fear politics with this one like they did with the pork.. um stimulus package.

Take your time and get it right. Overhauling the entire health care system should not be a hasty process. This administration really comes off as arrogant.

Its not about reducing cost or providing better care its a power grab by the Democrats no matter what the cost is or the damage it does. They just want control over more people so they can use them to gain votes. Thats why they did not want to allow Americans to use 2% of thier SS to invest on their own. Thats how they work and how they gain their power.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I mean it really does kind of feel that way. Why is it so damn urgent to force something this nation will struggle to pay for for decades through so quickly?? It's not as easy for Obama and Co to play fear politics with this one like they did with the pork.. um stimulus package.

Take your time and get it right. Overhauling the entire health care system should not be a hasty process. This administration really comes off as arrogant.

See to me it isn't about a power grab or anything like that. I think philosophically they'd rather try to address a problem however they can, right or wrong, rather than wait and try to do it right. To them it is worse to do nothing than to try something that probably won't work. That basic moral compass points them away from reason and helps them embrace political gamesmanship. And this isn't just Democrats, it is everyone. It's the way our nation is governed now.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

See to me it isn't about a power grab or anything like that. I think philosophically they'd rather try to address a problem however they can, right or wrong, rather than wait and try to do it right. To them it is worse to do nothing than to try something that probably won't work. That basic moral compass points them away from reason and helps them embrace political gamesmanship. And this isn't just Democrats, it is everyone. It's the way our nation is governed now.

Exactly. It's the way now, and the way it's been ever since I can remember (past 15 years or so).

Congress can act quickly, if it wants to. They pushed through something like $75B for Afghanistan in about a week, but things like health care and education seem to be neglected. At least you'd never see so much money for them pushed through so quickly.

On principle though, I think we're usually best served by doing something, rather than nothing, even if that something could/might fail.

One of my favorite quotes of all time:

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
- Teddy Roosevelt