Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals

[12thMan]

Eli may not be worth every penny of this deal on paper, but who really is nowadays. The real question in my mind is, do the Giants win the Super Bowl without Manning? I seriously doubt it.

Outside of big brother Manning and Tom Brady, I don't think there are five QBs I would rather have in the clutch than Eli Manning.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Eli may not be worth every penny of this deal on paper, but who really is nowadays. The real question in my mind is, do the Giants win the Super Bowl without Manning? I seriously doubt it.

Outside of big brother Manning and Tom Brady, I don't think there are five QBs I would rather have in the clutch than Eli Manning.

Like his totally clutch 15-29 (51.7%), 169 yard, 0 td, 2 int one-and-done playoff performance last year?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Eli may not be worth every penny of this deal on paper, but who really is nowadays. The real question in my mind is, do the Giants win the Super Bowl without Manning? I seriously doubt it.

Outside of big brother Manning and Tom Brady, I don't think there are five QBs I would rather have in the clutch than Eli Manning.

Are you kidding? I don't think he is in the top 10 in the league. I wouldn't trade JC for Manning 2.0. In almost every statistical respect JC has been a better QB. They won that SB in spite of him. Or rather, he is adequate enough to lead a team with solid offensive pieces and a heck of a defense deep into the playoffs where anything can happen.

Off the top of my head:

Manning
Brady
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Warner
McNabb
Palmer
Brees
JC


And those are just the ones I'd DEFINITELY take. I'd probably take Ryan, Hasselbeck, Cutler and maybe another few others too.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Are you kidding? I don't think he is in the top 10 in the league. I wouldn't trade JC for Manning 2.0. In almost every statistical respect JC has been a better QB. They won that SB in spite of him. Or rather, he is adequate enough to lead a team with solid offensive pieces and a heck of a defense deep into the playoffs where anything can happen.

Off the top of my head:

Manning
Brady
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Warner
McNabb
Palmer
Brees
JC


And those are just the ones I'd DEFINITELY take. I'd probably take Ryan, Hasselbeck, Cutler and maybe another few others too.

You can say what you want about him prior to the last 6 or so game leading them to the SB but in that stretch he was a key to their winning. Heck the one play in the SB when he had guys hanging off him and some how got away and then threw that ball to get the first down was what kept winning drive alive. You can also point to about another 12 QB's that could not beat the Pats that year but he found a way to win. Is he worth that contract? Only time will tell.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You can say what you want about him prior to the last 6 or so game leading them to the SB but in that stretch he was a key to their winning. Heck the one play in the SB when he had guys hanging off him and some how got away and then threw that ball to get the first down was what kept winning drive alive. You can also point to about another 12 QB's that could not beat the Pats that year but he found a way to win. Is he worth that contract? Only time will tell.

Of those 12 how many of those QB's defenses held the pats to 14 pts? Eli got the payday but we all know the defense won the SB. Pats score their usual 30+ and they are in 'Perfectville' with the 72 Phins.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

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Of those 12 how many of those QB's defenses held the pats to 14 pts? Eli got the payday but we all know the defense won the SB. Pats score their usual 30+ and they are in 'Perfectville' with the 72 Phins.

Eli gets a lot of credit for the SB (hence this big ass contract) but you're right, it was the Giants D that made it possible and NYG getting a few breaks (Darth Hoody not going for a field goal late in the game or Eli barely avoiding getting sacked in the Tyree miracle catch).

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Are you kidding? I don't think he is in the top 10 in the league. I wouldn't trade JC for Manning 2.0. In almost every statistical respect JC has been a better QB. They won that SB in spite of him. Or rather, he is adequate enough to lead a team with solid offensive pieces and a heck of a defense deep into the playoffs where anything can happen.

Off the top of my head:

Manning
Brady
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Warner
McNabb
Palmer
Brees
JC


And those are just the ones I'd DEFINITELY take. I'd probably take Ryan, Hasselbeck, Cutler and maybe another few others too.

Naw, I wouldn't. Again, I'm talking about in the clutch - come from behind wins. Again, minus Brady and Manning, I'd take Eli over just about everyone on that list with five minutes left in the game. Certainly Campbell shouldn't be on that list as far as clutch performers are concerned. Not yet anyways.

Check this out. (this is through the first week of Sept/'09)

GAMES WON AFTER TRAILING GOING INTO Q4

McNabb: 11 out of 43 (25.6%)
Manning: 10 out of 33 (30.3%)

COMEBACK VICTORIES (trailing by 8 points or more going into Q4)

McNabb: 2 out of 22 (9.1%)
Manning: 4 out of 17 (23.5%)

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Naw, I wouldn't. Again, I'm talking about in the clutch - come from behind wins. Again, minus Brady and Manning, I'd take Eli over just about everyone on that list with five minutes left in the game. Certainly Campbell shouldn't be on that list as far as clutch performers are concerned. Not yet anyways.

Check this out. (this is through the first week of Sept/'09)

GAMES WON AFTER TRAILING GOING INTO Q4

McNabb: 11 out of 43 (25.6%)
Manning: 10 out of 33 (30.3%)

COMEBACK VICTORIES (trailing by 8 points or more going into Q4)

McNabb: 2 out of 22 (9.1%)
Manning: 4 out of 17 (23.5%)

Talking about clutch has JC ever brought the skins back to a victory with 5 min left in a game?

[GMScud]

Campbell and Eli have comparable career numbers- but I wonder how Jason would have done last year with a 6'5" stud receiver, the best O-line in football, and three RBs in the neighborhood of 1,000 yards rushing? Methinks a tad better than 8-8. Just saying.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Talking about clutch has JC ever brought the skins back to a victory with 5 min left in a game?

Looking at the box scores from last year, the 67 yard pass to Moss in the New Orleans game came with 3:29 to play in the 4th. In the St. Louis game the Skins scored on a 9 play, 73 yard drive with 4:31 to play to go up 17-12 before the defense pissed it away on a game ending field goal. And against San Francisco the Skins scored to tie with 1:15 left before the defense again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory (or at least overtime).

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Looking at the box scores from last year, the 67 yard pass to Moss in the New Orleans game came with 3:29 to play in the 4th. In the St. Louis game the Skins scored on a 9 play, 73 yard drive with 4:31 to play to go up 17-12 before the defense pissed it away on a game ending field goal. And against San Francisco the Skins scored to tie with 1:15 left before the defense again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory (or at least overtime).

Thank you!

JC may not get paid like Manning but if he has a good year this year JC will get paid well, too.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Naw, I wouldn't. Again, I'm talking about in the clutch - come from behind wins. Again, minus Brady and Manning, I'd take Eli over just about everyone on that list with five minutes left in the game. Certainly Campbell shouldn't be on that list as far as clutch performers are concerned. Not yet anyways.

Check this out. (this is through the first week of Sept/'09)

GAMES WON AFTER TRAILING GOING INTO Q4

McNabb: 11 out of 43 (25.6%)
Manning: 10 out of 33 (30.3%)

COMEBACK VICTORIES (trailing by 8 points or more going into Q4)

McNabb: 2 out of 22 (9.1%)
Manning: 4 out of 17 (23.5%)

Can't really compare McNabb and Manning. McNabb has won playoffs games with mediocre receivers/TE whereas Manning has had Plax, Toomer, Shockey, etc. Put Manning on a team with a so-so oline and receivers and he would be an average(maybe even below average) QB. He wouldn't be that so called clutch QB. Manning is an average QB who is on a great team. You could Alex Smith on the Giants and he would look like an Hall of Famer.

How does Manning and McNabb stats look with Plax being gone??

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

Can't really compare McNabb and Manning. McNabb has won playoffs games with mediocre receivers/TE whereas Manning has had Plax, Toomer, Shockey, etc. Put Manning on a team with a so-so oline and receivers and he would be an average(maybe even below average) QB. He wouldn't be that so called clutch QB. Manning is an average QB who is on a great team. You could Alex Smith on the Giants and he would look like an Hall of Famer.

How does Manning and McNabb stats look with Plax being gone??

Over the course of their respective careers you probably can't compare the two, but Eli Manning has a Super Bowl ring and D. McNabb doesn't. And if you want to throw in the what if argument about the better offensive line, wide receivers and such, I think the same could be said of Peyton Manning too. He's been the benefactor of great talent most of his professional career. Arguably a Hall of Fame center in Saturday (is he still in Indy?) and maybe two Hall of Fame wideouts to boot. The jury's still out on Wayne and Marvin likes to play with guns I hear.

My point isn't to take anything away from Donovan McNabb, I think he'll end up in the Hall one day too, perhaps. But right here and now, with five minutes to go in a ball game, I don't think there is a huge difference between him and Eli Manning. I just don't.

[coggs]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Are you kidding? I don't think he is in the top 10 in the league. I wouldn't trade JC for Manning 2.0. In almost every statistical respect JC has been a better QB. They won that SB in spite of him. Or rather, he is adequate enough to lead a team with solid offensive pieces and a heck of a defense deep into the playoffs where anything can happen.

Off the top of my head:

Manning
Brady
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Warner
McNabb
Palmer
Brees
JC


And those are just the ones I'd DEFINITELY take. I'd probably take Ryan, Hasselbeck, Cutler and maybe another few others too.

Jason Campbell? HAHAHAHAHA. I'll give you the other guys are better than Eli and I do not think he is worth that kind of money either. But, Jason Campbell? Please, he is one of the worst starting QB's in the league.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by coggs

Jason Campbell? HAHAHAHAHA. I'll give you the other guys are better than Eli and I do not think he is worth that kind of money either. But, Jason Campbell? Please, he is one of the worst starting QB's in the league.

No disrepect intended but we're gonna kick your ass this year.