I Was impressed!!!

MTK · 08-30-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by beemnsevenspop

Disagreed. As the saying goes, even a blind pig can find an acorn. Sadly, you're all setting yourselves up for heartbreak. And BTW, I don't consider myself a "JC hater" - I was on his bandwagon for 3 1/2 years - and now it's time to hop off....you DO remember Heath Shuler, don't you????

So... will you be rooting for him or against him this season??

dgack · 08-30-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by beemnsevenspop

Quite frankly, I'm tired of hearing the same flimsy excuse about his performances - too many changes in offensive coordinators/offensive schemes and philosophies - being regurgitated year after year by myopic Campbell fans. Flacco and Ryan changed coordinators/systems - look how THEY produced their first year

Wait, are you holding up Ryan and Flacco's stats last year as an example of why Campbell isn't any good?

Ryan threw for ~200 more yards, 3 more TD's and 5 more INT's. Flacco threw 300 yards fewer than Jason, one more TD and 6 more INT's.

The QB you can best compare to JC right now is probably a guy like Jake Delhomme. If you compare the first 30 or so games of both players, their stats are remarkably similar, with Jake owning a couple more wins than Jason. The major difference is Delhomme having a higher y/a and Jason having a lower INT%.

Both were on teams that were largely run-first teams with stout defenses and a speedster-mold WR as their main target. And those Panther teams had the benefit of Muhammad as a dynamite possession guy at the WR2 while we've had no legit WR2 for years.

Given that Delhomme turned into a pretty solid if unspectacular QB who was able to lead the Panthers to the playoffs many times and can win when he's got some talent to work with, I don't think this is such a horrible floor for a guy like Campbell. If he turns out to be even more of a player, so much the better.

Lotus · 08-30-2009, 11:30 PM

I'm so tired of the anti-Campbell crowd.

Jason is our quarterback for the season. At minimum, deal with it. And if you are a real fan of the Redskins, you will support him. If you can't support him, find another team.

Ruhskins · 08-30-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

I'm so tired of the anti-Campbell crowd.

Jason is our quarterback for the season. At minimum, deal with it. And if you are a real fan of the Redskins, you will support him. If you can't support him, find another team.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I swear, sometimes I feel there are people here that want JC to fail.

53Fan · 08-30-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Couldn't have said it better myself. I swear, sometimes I feel there are people here that want JC to fail.

Yeah for some it seems more important to be right than to win.

Redskin Jim · 08-31-2009, 01:43 AM

I'm not going to quote anybody.... I'm going to simply ask that NO MATTER what happened before this season, Judge Campbell on this years performance. WE HAVE NO ONE BETTER TO PLAY QB!!!! that said, I will be surprised if soup can pull out an 8-8 record... Soups' decision making process runs as fast as chilled molases...

tootergray34 · 08-31-2009, 01:55 AM

JC can be good if people give him a chance, watch, he'll have a breakout year and leave and win a couple rings and people will be saying...man why didn't we hang on to that guy.

that said, i wouldnt' mind seeing tim tebow in a skins uniform, i hear a lil guy named danny snyder is in love with him.

jdlea · 08-31-2009, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GridIron26

Flacco; Cam Cameron protected him by calling LOT of running plays, Ravens is #1 in NFL for calling running plays (60% or something like that).. Ryan, I don't really have an argument for him, except that maybe he did not really change much on his throwing motions/footing? While JC was working on both throwing motions/footing and learning the system.. Or maybe Ryan is just that good?

Flacco's stats from last year are NOT better than Jason Campbell's. I will repeat that, Joe Flacco did not have better stats last year than Jason Campbell. 14 Td's, 12 INTs and 2971 Yards << 13, 6, and 3245. I'm so sick of people confusing a great team with a great QB. Flacco was basically in a no fail situation, they have a far better d than Washington and 3 running backs who all contributed more than anyone not named Clinton Portis. It's pretty difficult to have a bad season in that case.

Matt Ryan's stats are comparable. He threw 16 TDs, 11 picks and 3440 yards, that's pretty comparable to JC and he had a consistent running game and a much better wide receiver than anyone who was on the Skins roster last year. That will probably offend people, but Roddy White is better, right now, than Santana Moss.

I'm not trying to act like Ryan or Flacco aren't good players (Flacco has looked great this preseason) but everyone jumping on their jocks because their teams won makes little sense. Flacco didn't outplay Campbell last season and Ryan probably did, but the fact remains, there were far worse QB's in the playoffs last season than Jason Campbell.

jdlea · 08-31-2009, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dgack

Wait, are you holding up Ryan and Flacco's stats last year as an example of why Campbell isn't any good?

Ryan threw for ~200 more yards, 3 more TD's and 5 more INT's. Flacco threw 300 yards fewer than Jason, one more TD and 6 more INT's.

The QB you can best compare to JC right now is probably a guy like Jake Delhomme. If you compare the first 30 or so games of both players, their stats are remarkably similar, with Jake owning a couple more wins than Jason. The major difference is Delhomme having a higher y/a and Jason having a lower INT%.

Both were on teams that were largely run-first teams with stout defenses and a speedster-mold WR as their main target. And those Panther teams had the benefit of Muhammad as a dynamite possession guy at the WR2 while we've had no legit WR2 for years.

Given that Delhomme turned into a pretty solid if unspectacular QB who was able to lead the Panthers to the playoffs many times and can win when he's got some talent to work with, I don't think this is such a horrible floor for a guy like Campbell. If he turns out to be even more of a player, so much the better.

I believe this makes my previous post fall into the category of "read the entire thread before posting." This is pretty much exactly what I was saying.

roth74va · 08-31-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

I'm so tired of the anti-Campbell crowd.

Jason is our quarterback for the season. At minimum, deal with it. And if you are a real fan of the Redskins, you will support him. If you can't support him, find another team.

Thats just about sums it up, enough already!!!

Jay Schroeder · 08-31-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah I'm going to open this can of worms... Let's give it up for JC. Dude showed me tonight that he can flat out play.

I have to concur with this statement. Was proud of what Campbell did, I hope he can take this and sustain the momentum in Week 1

Jay Schroeder · 08-31-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Seeing Big AL crush Brady after he ran it up on us last time to me was worth the money we are paying him. How did that feel Tommy boy?? Thats what we call a sack lunch num num num num lol

Yesssss....I loved it

NYCskinfan82 · 08-31-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lotus

i'm so tired of the anti-campbell crowd.

Jason is our quarterback for the season. At minimum, deal with it. And if you are a real fan of the redskins, you will support him. If you can't support him, find another team.

agree 110%
this needed to be said.

beemnsevenspop · 08-31-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

I'm so tired of the anti-Campbell crowd.

Jason is our quarterback for the season. At minimum, deal with it. And if you are a real fan of the Redskins, you will support him. If you can't support him, find another team.

Ah yes - that would be part of the Blind, Mindless Obedience doctrine -the pertinent portion that dictates, "If a player wears burgundy and gold, he WILL command undying support to the bitter end, regardless of one's opinion as to that player's relative worth to the organization. Disparaging remarks will not be tolerated."

If one's devotion to this team is measured in terms of the amount of criticism directed towards one or more of its players, based on some of the remarks I've seen over the relatively short period of time I've been a member of this forum, I dare say that there'd be a mass exodus of 'skins fans, were said detractors prone to subscribe to your philosophy.

That said, I've been a "real fan" of the Redskins for darned close to forty years now, and I've seen nothing thus far that would warrant my defection, quarterback selection notwithstanding.

This forum is all ABOUT opinions - and while you no doubt have heard the familiar saying about them - everyone's got one, most of 'em stink - we're ALL entitled to them, and within the boundaries of proper decorum, entitled to share them.

If you find my opinions that objectionable, I respectfully suggest that you consider blocking them.

dblanch66 · 08-31-2009, 10:08 AM

Campbell showed sparks of a truly poised, confident and dangerous playmaker. He also made mistakes. It's pre-season and at least he showed me something to make me have a little confidence that he is growing, getting better and may just prove all of his detractors wrong. I'm behind him all the way because like other posters have pointed out, he's all we got.
I'm hoping that the O-line provides him with some protection against the VAgiants because if they do....upset city, baby!

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Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: I Was impressed!!! I'm so tired of the anti-Campbell crowd. Jason is our quarterback for the season. At minimum, deal with it. And if you are a real fan of the Redskins, you will support him. If you can't support him, find another team. __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

08-31-2009, 01:43 AM	#141
Redskin Jim Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA- via VA Age: 47 Posts: 710	Re: I Was impressed!!! I'm not going to quote anybody.... I'm going to simply ask that NO MATTER what happened before this season, Judge Campbell on this years performance. WE HAVE NO ONE BETTER TO PLAY QB!!!! that said, I will be surprised if soup can pull out an 8-8 record... Soups' decision making process runs as fast as chilled molases... __________________ Hail to The REDSKINS

08-31-2009, 01:55 AM	#142
tootergray34 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 681	Re: I Was impressed!!! JC can be good if people give him a chance, watch, he'll have a breakout year and leave and win a couple rings and people will be saying...man why didn't we hang on to that guy. that said, i wouldnt' mind seeing tim tebow in a skins uniform, i hear a lil guy named danny snyder is in love with him.

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dblanch66 The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 59 Posts: 1,176	Re: I Was impressed!!! Campbell showed sparks of a truly poised, confident and dangerous playmaker. He also made mistakes. It's pre-season and at least he showed me something to make me have a little confidence that he is growing, getting better and may just prove all of his detractors wrong. I'm behind him all the way because like other posters have pointed out, he's all we got. I'm hoping that the O-line provides him with some protection against the VAgiants because if they do....upset city, baby! __________________ The eyes are the groin of the head

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