Skins sell ticket straight to scalpers

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Does anyone think that this is an odd statement? Doesn't every business at least reserve the right to file a lawsuit to enforce legal contracts, especially when legal action is deemed necessary. If they deem legal action necessary, would not filing a lawsuit be a reasonable step towards starting that legal action.

Are we to think that only the Redskins would be so crass as to file a lawsuit against someone who is broaching their legal obligation?

And PFT says it is a non-issue that only 20-30 of these lawsuits are filed in a given year, but doesn't that mean that maybe 1 in 10,000 corporate entities face this threat.

Sorry this is a ridiculous story.

Funny, one would think the Skins would have to show damages cause the individuals failed to live up to the contract yet they have 150,000 other people on a waiting list. I guess DS is not the business savy person everyone thinks he is. I mean if you default on just about any other contract similar..like a car loan or house loan the bank takes it back and gives it to someone else. They for the most part don't waist money paying their attorney's to try to get blood from a turnip.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Funny, one would think the Skins would have to show damages cause the individuals failed to live up to the contract yet they have 150,000 other people on a waiting list. I guess DS is not the business savy person everyone thinks he is. I mean if you default on just about any other contract similar..like a car loan or house loan the bank takes it back and gives it to someone else. They for the most part don't waist money paying their attorney's to try to get blood from a turnip.

Funny you bring that up SBXVII. According to some dude who works for the Washington Post, he says some of the tickets WERE resold and the original ticket holder was sued for the full amount anyway. He also said that you can be sued for the full 10 years no matter what year you're in when you default. I don't remember the guys name or how true this is but that's what he said on WPL today.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Funny you bring that up SBXVII. According to some dude who works for the Washington Post, he says some of the tickets WERE resold and the original ticket holder was sued for the full amount anyway. He also said that you can be sued for the full 10 years no matter what year you're in when you default. I don't remember the guys name or how true this is but that's what he said on WPL today.

I don't doubt you. A lot of people were talking about how contract law is different in DC.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I don't doubt you. A lot of people were talking about how contract law is different in DC.

Well, I imagine the contract law is actually signed and incorporates Virginia law, not DC.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well, I imagine the contract law is actually signed and incorporates Virginia law, not DC.

Unless there's something I missed I thought Maryland oversaw DC. but even having said that DC is actually guided by the Federal Gov. so I would guess the contract laws follow more to the Federal Laws regarding contract law.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Unless there's something I missed I thought Maryland oversaw DC. but even having said that DC is actually guided by the Federal Gov. so I would guess the contract laws follow more to the Federal Laws regarding contract law.

I really don't know, but since the Skins business is out of Ashburn, I assume that they would have VA as the place where disputes are resolved, similar to Microsoft using Washington State courts. But I really don't know for sure either.

[irish]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really don't know, but since the Skins business is out of Ashburn, I assume that they would have VA as the place where disputes are resolved, similar to Microsoft using Washington State courts. But I really don't know for sure either.

The Post article says that the cases were in PG County (Md) court.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really don't know, but since the Skins business is out of Ashburn, I assume that they would have VA as the place where disputes are resolved, similar to Microsoft using Washington State courts. But I really don't know for sure either.

True, but there have been lawsuits the Redskins have been part of that identifed Fed Ex Field, in P.G. County, as the team's "principle place of business," so on that basis PG County may be the locale of proper court jurisdiction. Of course, the story says that the grandmother defendant did not even answer the complaint, so jurisdiction wasn't really contested.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Unless there's something I missed I thought Maryland oversaw DC. but even having said that DC is actually guided by the Federal Gov. so I would guess the contract laws follow more to the Federal Laws regarding contract law.

Wait--I'm sorry, but I have to ask. Are you being serious, or is this a joke?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Funny, one would think the Skins would have to show damages cause the individuals failed to live up to the contract yet they have 150,000 other people on a waiting list. I guess DS is not the business savy person everyone thinks he is. I mean if you default on just about any other contract similar..like a car loan or house loan the bank takes it back and gives it to someone else. They for the most part don't waist money paying their attorney's to try to get blood from a turnip.

Please try to understand, the lawsuit story was not speaking of the general admission individual tickets. It was about the luxury suites, and were upwards of 6000 per season. And its not about 1000's or even hundreds of lawsuits. It's about the people who, after every other resolution was tried (including financing arrangements and other things) the buyer was still in default. At that point, they have had to file 20-30 lawsuits, out of 90000 seats. Please lets not overplay a silly story.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Please try to understand, the lawsuit story was not speaking of the general admission individual tickets. It was about the luxury suites, and were upwards of 6000 per season. And its not about 1000's or even hundreds of lawsuits. It's about the people who, after every other resolution was tried (including financing arrangements and other things) the buyer was still in default. At that point, they have had to file 20-30 lawsuits, out of 90000 seats. Please lets not overplay a silly story.

You sound like an employee. 20-30? Not according to the Washington Post.

washingtonpost.com

I am not sure that you can be considered objective with what you have posted on this subject.

Btw, this Donovan guy sounds like a real slimeball, just like the owner.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

You sound like an employee. 20-30? Not according to the Washington Post.

washingtonpost.com

I am not sure that you can be considered objective with what you have posted on this subject.

Btw, this Donovan guy sounds like a real slimeball, just like the owner.

No, I'm not an employee, I don't have tickets. Here is the quote from the post:

The Washington Redskins have filed 137 lawsuits against ticket holders of premium seats and skyboxes in the past five years, according to a review of court records by The Washington Post.

So, 137 lawsuits, divided by 5 years, is 27 lawsuits on average a year. compared to 20-30,000 premium seats and skyboxes a year. If you want to do a 5 year comparison, 137 lawsuits, against 100,000 (at a minimum) sales.

Again, in my opinion, this is just a mudraker story.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

No, I'm not an employee, I don't have tickets. Here is the quote from the post:

So, 137 lawsuits, divided by 5 years, is 27 lawsuits on average a year. compared to 20-30,000 premium seats and skyboxes a year. If you want to do a 5 year comparison, 137 lawsuits, against 100,000 (at a minimum) sales.

Again, in my opinion, this is just a mudraker story.

Maybe the Post has an agenda against the team (I don't think this is a secret) but either way, the bottom line is that Snyder has consistently made a decision to punish the fans of the team when they cannot or do not fufill the ticket contracts.

I don't care that it averages out to 20 - 30 a year over 5 years, in fact that seems to provide even more evidence that they are extremely comfortable with this course of action.

Their attorney also said that for every suit, there are half a dozen or so (I would think more than that) people that accept an alternative arrangement. So there are hundreds if not thousands of fans that have come to some agreement on how to make the team whole.

On top of that, the team resells seats that people are being forced to pay off, to ticket brokers. So in essense, tickets are sold to fans, if they can't pay they are sued, same tickets are re-sold to brokers instead of people on the waiting list and many times these end up in the hands of opposing fans.

Win, win for Snyder no matter what happens. If a few grandmas go bankrupt in the process, who cares, the other team's fan is there to buy his $8.50 beers and sit in the "deadbeat's" seat.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

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If a few grandmas go bankrupt in the process, who cares, the other team's fan is there to buy his $8.50 beers and sit in the "deadbeat's" seat.

Gotcha, I agree, no grandmother should go bankrupt due to the Redskins legal policies. I agree 100%.

[souperbad]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

No, I'm not an employee, I don't have tickets. Here is the quote from the post:

So, 137 lawsuits, divided by 5 years, is 27 lawsuits on average a year. compared to 20-30,000 premium seats and skyboxes a year. If you want to do a 5 year comparison, 137 lawsuits, against 100,000 (at a minimum) sales.

Again, in my opinion, this is just a mudraker story.

137 lawsuits is a lot when you consider the fact that the article points out that there are almost no other teams in the league that sue their ticket holders. The Patriots said they sue their ticket holders in only rare instances.