Lighten Up On Snyder

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

We can debate his running of the franchise (I don't agree that he's a "terrible" owner), but not so sure why he's not a good person?

The Dan Snyder You Don't Know - Sports (washingtonian.com)

For every Washingtonian puff piece, I can find several articles about what a twerp Snyder is. If you're cool with $30 to park at FedEx Field and high ticket prices for a poor product, that's your business. I'm not cool with it. Diff'rent strokes and all.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Spence

For every Washingtonian puff piece, I can find several articles about what a twerp Snyder is. If you're cool with $30 to park at FedEx Field and high ticket prices for a poor product, that's your business. I'm not cool with it. Diff'rent strokes and all.

I agree...

It's more about actions than words for me...

You can tell the entire focus for the Redskins is money-centric. From high priced parking passes, to the $17 combo meals at Johnny Rockets, to only team who has charged admission to training camp, to always signing the biggest free agent contracts in NFL history at all positions.


Bottom line is this team's focus is the money and not the trophy.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Spence

For every Washingtonian puff piece, I can find several articles about what a twerp Snyder is. If you're cool with $30 to park at FedEx Field and high ticket prices for a poor product, that's your business. I'm not cool with it. Diff'rent strokes and all.

I'm pretty sure most of the "twerp" articles would be around his business dealings. Business is business, not personal.

If you're not cool with the parking/ticket prices, team's performance, etc. Don't go, don't watch, no one's holding a gun to your head. No one complains when Snyder strokes massive checks, flys the team to ST's funeral, and supports the players families.

Without revenue Snyder continues to bring in, we will at some point be limited in our options financially. I don't think any of us want that. With the salary cap possibly going away, I'd say it's a lot better to in the Redskins position than the Bengals or Jags. If the salary cap goes away, you negative types will be singing a much different tune. Don't forget the team that JKC built was without a salary cap.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm pretty sure most of the "twerp" articles would be around his business dealings. Business is business, not personal.

Nonsense. I judge a person based on all their actions. Your view, apparently, is that someone can do anything they like as long as they say it is "just business." You're welcome to that view. I don't share it.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If you're not cool with the parking/ticket prices, team's performance, etc. Don't go, don't watch, no one's holding a gun to your head.

So, let's make sure we both understand what you just wrote. If I don't like the performance of the team Snyder owns, the only thing I should do is stop watching them. I should not complain, I should not form opinions and I most certainly should not give voice to those opinions. I should either support Snyder whole-heartedly or go away, forget the team and never speak of it again. I'm not saying you work for Dan Snyder, but you should. Anyone that slavishly obedient should be getting a paycheck.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

No one complains when Snyder strokes massive checks, flys the team to ST's funeral, and supports the players families.

The money Snyder spends is of little concern to me. What he gets for that money is what matters and what he's gotten so far is a .455 winning percentage. To you, that's worthy of unthinking loyalty and obedience. To me, it is not. Again, diff'rent strokes and all.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Without revenue Snyder continues to bring in, we will at some point be limited in our options financially.

You just don't get it. It's not about how much money is spent, it's about how that money is spent. Snyder can't buy a Super Bowl. If a decade of mediocrity doesn't make an impression on you, I guess nothing will. Again, I'll take a financially cautious ownership like the Rooneys any day of the week and twice on Sundays. [Especially on Sundays!]

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Spence

Nonsense. I judge a person based on all their actions. Your view, apparently, is that someone can do anything they like as long as they say it is "just business." You're welcome to that view. I don't share it.

You misrepresent my view. I judge people based on their actions too. If someone is aggressive in business as long as they aren't dishonest or breaking laws, then no that doesn't make someone a "terrible" person. Since we're judging apparent views, it appears your view is that anyone who is aggressive and successful in business is a "terrible" person.

So, let's make sure we both understand what you just wrote. If I don't like the performance of the team Snyder owns, the only thing I should do is stop watching them. I should not complain, I should not form opinions and I most certainly should not give voice to those opinions. I should either support Snyder whole-heartedly or go away, forget the team and never speak of it again. I'm not saying you work for Dan Snyder, but you should. Anyone that slavishly obedient should be getting a paycheck.

Let's make sure we don't make wild conjecture about what I wrote. No one said you can't complain, have opinions, or voice them. That's ridiculous to even make that statement based on what I posted and the fact that we both visit this site frequently, which is all about voicing opinions (and lately a whole lot of complaining). You're making a huge deal about the prices, if it's that much of an issue for you, again don't go. I don't work for DS, but would have no problem doing that because our interests align, all we both want is more Lombardi trophies in Redskins Park. Because I view Snyder's ownership objectively and through the lense of this guy bieng a life-long fan and trying desperately to put a winner on the field doesn't make me slavishly obedient, it makes me a realist. What it also doesn't make me is Sally Jenkins Jr.

The money Snyder spends is of little concern to me. What he gets for that money is what matters and what he's gotten so far is a .455 winning percentage. To you, that's worthy of unthinking loyalty and obedience. To me, it is not. Again, diff'rent strokes and all.

Don't tell me what I believe is worthy or not. But again you look at the winning percentage and not the details of what steps this guy has taken to put a winner on the field. It's easy when you're not the one who actually has to make the decision or cash the multi-million dollar checks.

You just don't get it. It's not about how much money is spent, it's about how that money is spent. Snyder can't buy a Super Bowl. If a decade of mediocrity doesn't make an impression on you, I guess nothing will. Again, I'll take a financially cautious ownership like the Rooneys any day of the week and twice on Sundays. [Especially on Sundays!]

No, you don't get it. I didn't mention anything about "how" money was being spent, just the fact that if we are # 1 or #2 in revenue, that's a good thing and a big part of that is because of Snyder. Bottom line the NFL is a business. Salaries, stadium expenses, etc. need to get paid. If we don't have the firepower of being the first or second highest revenue team when/if the salary cap goes away we are in a worse position than where we are with Snyder continuing to find ways to increase the Redskins revenue stream.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Spence

You just don't get it. It's not about how much money is spent, it's about how that money is spent. Snyder can't buy a Super Bowl. If a decade of mediocrity doesn't make an impression on you, I guess nothing will. Again, I'll take a financially cautious ownership like the Rooneys any day of the week and twice on Sundays. [Especially on Sundays!]

I'm going to offer a slightly different viewpoint. I don't think it's HOW that money is spent, either. After all, if Snyder won, we wouldn't care if he was the most wasteful owner on the planet. Their fans don't care about how much dough the Lakers or Yankees spend, right?

Can you say The Danny doesn't care about winning and is just some evil businessman out to extract his profit? I don't think you really can. There are plenty of owners in pro sports who do this and Snyder doesn't fit the mold.

He spends too much money on players and coaches to fit the cheap-ass tightwad owner model (think NBA's Donald Sterling or Michael Heisley here) and the Zorn Experiment clearly shows that he's not just making decisions based on who he thinks can draw the highest revenue to the park.

Never ascribe to malice what can more easily be attributed to incompetence. I think it's quite simple, really: the skills that allowed Snyder to excel in the business world do not translate well in the NFL world.

/shrug.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Spence

For every Washingtonian puff piece, I can find several articles about what a twerp Snyder is. If you're cool with $30 to park at FedEx Field and high ticket prices for a poor product, that's your business. I'm not cool with it. Diff'rent strokes and all.

amen! preach on brother spence!

I can see how some skins fans could think the DS is not a bad owner, but i have a hard time understanding the logic of any skins fan saying the DS is a good owner.

go skins!!