Michael peels back the curtain at Redskins Park in interview with Wise

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Marty was not fired because he's not likeable. And that's not what Michael said. He was fired because Snyder didn't want Schottenheimer to be both GM and coach and because certain players wanted Schottenheimer gone.

I really don't know what happened behind closed doors with Williams

Maybe so, but that's not what Michael said either.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

Maybe so, but that's not what Michael said either.

I think thats SmootSmacks point and mine. GMicheals makes it sound like Marty was let go cause no one liked him or could get along with him which is a half truth. Only some of the players could not get along with Marty....the ones who don't like hard nosed coach's. but in actuality Marty was fired cause he wanted to be GM and HC which DS was not going to let happen. Marty said then fire me. ....and he was.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think thats SmootSmacks point and mine. GMicheals makes it sound like Marty was let go cause no one liked him or could get along with him which is a half truth. Only some of the players could not get along with Marty....the ones who don't like hard nosed coach's. but in actuality Marty was fired cause he wanted to be GM and HC which DS was not going to let happen. Marty said then fire me. ....and he was.

Fair enough, but my point was simply that, regardless of the real reason why Marty was fired, the fact is that Michael's comment on the matter sure seemed to place blame on Marty's ability to play well with others.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

Fair enough, but my point was simply that, regardless of the real reason why Marty was fired, the fact is that Michael's comment on the matter sure seemed to place blame on Marty's ability to play well with others.

Well, there are players coach's...Norv, Spurrier, Zorn. and there are non players coach's...Gibbs, Marty. Some have said Zorn's replacement should be someone who could instill discipline. A disciplinarian is not a players coach and most likely would not play well with others....atleast from the players stand point.

At this point I would rather have a HC who doesn't play well with others getting the team to 14-2 seasons so we can make the playoff and have a chance at the SB vs a players coach getting us to 8-8 and another season of possibly 8-8 or worse with out a chance.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

Fair enough, but my point was simply that, regardless of the real reason why Marty was fired, the fact is that Michael's comment on the matter sure seemed to place blame on Marty's ability to play well with others.

I always liked Marty going back to his Browns days. But there are a couple of negative undeniable truths about him:

1) Doesn't win big games even when it seems his team is more talented.
2) Has had relationship problems in his career, usually w/FO staff. In fact, that's why he isn't working now. So, Michael might just be giving a pretty objective opinion of him.

That said, he made great strides here & I thought he should've been given the chance to come back. He can build a winner, even if he hasn't won the big games, his teams win consistently.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I always liked Marty going back to his Browns days. But there are a couple of negative undeniable truths about him:

1) Doesn't win big games even when it seems his team is more talented.
2) Has had relationship problems in his career, usually w/FO staff. In fact, that's why he isn't working now. So, Michael might just be giving a pretty objective opinion of him.

That said, he made great strides here & I thought he should've been given the chance to come back. He can build a winner, even if he hasn't won the big games, his teams win consistently.

I'm not going to deny or argue with the fact Marty has had his issues. True he has not been a GM before either, but he is good at being a HC (even if he has not won the big game) and can evaluate talent which is a big plus as far as being a GM, he was a hard nosed HC which I would think would carry over to his GM duties. In other words he would not put up with the whinning, cry baby player like Portis when he runs to DS over issues he's not happy with.

I would pick his son Brian as a HC cause his system seems to work. No he has not won the big game either yet but he was able to develope Drew Breese into the QB he is today in San Diego and is doing well with Sanchez in New Jersey. Plus his system stat wise can move the ball easily. Plus they can put up more then 20 points per game. and it's obvious he and his dad would most likely get along to help create a decent team.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think thats SmootSmacks point and mine. GMicheals makes it sound like Marty was let go cause no one liked him or could get along with him which is a half truth. Only some of the players could not get along with Marty....the ones who don't like hard nosed coach's. but in actuality Marty was fired cause he wanted to be GM and HC which DS was not going to let happen. Marty said then fire me. ....and he was.

Wrong.

Marty already was GM and HC because that's what Dan Snyder agreed to according to the terms of the contract. Year one under Marty wasn't so great offensively, and Snyder wanted him to relinquish control of parts of the coaching staff.

It was Dan Snyder who tried to weasel out of the terms of the contract and Marty called him on it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Wrong.

Marty already was GM and HC because that's what Dan Snyder agreed to according to the terms of the contract. Year one under Marty wasn't so great offensively, and Snyder wanted him to relinquish control of parts of the coaching staff.

It was Dan Snyder who tried to weasel out of the terms of the contract and Marty called him on it.

Not entirely correct. The contract called for Marty to be both HC and GM but included an option for Snyder to go hire a General Manager. Snyder thought at the time it was too much for Schottenheimer to handle both coach and personnel duties and wanted him to focus only on coaching.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not entirely correct. The contract called for Marty to be both HC and GM but included an option for Snyder to go hire a General Manager. Snyder thought at the time it was too much for Schottenheimer to handle both coach and personnel duties and wanted him to focus only on coaching.

That's not the way it was reported at the time. According to Rick Snider of the Washington Times, Snyder wanted to change the terms of the original contract to get more control over personnel decisions. He also wasn't happy with O-coordinator Jimmy Raye.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

That's not the way it was reported at the time. According to Rick Snider of the Washington Times, Snyder wanted to change the terms of the original contract to get more control over personnel decisions. He also wasn't happy with O-coordinator Jimmy Raye.

If I could find a link I'd post it, but I was covering the Redskins pretty exclusively in 2001 and I definitely remember that Marty's initial contract called for the option of hiring a general manager.

You're right about the organization not wanting Raye.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If I could find a link I'd post it, but I was covering the Redskins pretty exclusively in 2001 and I definitely remember that Marty's initial contract called for the option of hiring a general manager.

You're right about the organization not wanting Raye.

Redskins Still May Hire a GM; Contract With Coach Leaves Open Possibility - The Washington Post | Encyclopedia.com

Coach Marty Schottenheimer's contract with the Washington Redskins gives team owner Daniel Snyder full authority to hire a front office executive to head the club's player personnel department if he chooses.

That leaves open the possibility that Snyder could hire a general manager or an executive with GM-like powers this offseason who would report to Snyder, not Schottenheimer, and oversee the retooling of the team's roster.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

That's not the way it was reported at the time. According to Rick Snider of the Washington Times, Snyder wanted to change the terms of the original contract to get more control over personnel decisions. He also wasn't happy with O-coordinator Jimmy Raye.

Regardless of the specifics, what it boils down to is that Snyder wanted more control of his toys.