Where are Kelly & Thomas?

[dgack]

I've read a number of analyses that suggest that Davis is actually doing serious work as a blocker so he's at least contributing.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by dgack

I've read a number of analyses that suggest that Davis is actually doing serious work as a blocker so he's at least contributing.

True. He is allowing Cooley to go out more. Good point!! We will give him a pass..lol

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dgack

I've read a number of analyses that suggest that Davis is actually doing serious work as a blocker so he's at least contributing.

From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)

For all his height, Kelly really struggles with those fade or lob patterns. They should be throwing more passes over the middle to him. Catch, turn, and run.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)

For all his height, Kelly really struggles with those fade or lob patterns. They should be throwing more passes over the middle to him. Catch, turn, and run.

I agree we should use Kelly on those type of patterns as more of a possession receiver. This was how he was mostly used in preseason. Go to the first down marker and psot in front of a smaller receiver than run. On pass that was intercepted yesterday Kelly didn't have the speed and was forced to the sidelines. He does not use his frame well in that respect. On routes were speed is a factor in creating separation or deep routes. I think Mitchell is the man for that job.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)

For all his height, Kelly really struggles with those fade or lob patterns. They should be throwing more passes over the middle to him. Catch, turn, and run.

Well so far this season I have not seen one pass from JC that really gave Kelly a chance to go up and get the ball over the defender. As for Campbell I don't think he does a very good job of surveying the field and tend to lock on to one guy.

[mlmpetert]

[quote=SmootSmack;602890]From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)
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It drives me nuts that Yoder is on in place of Davis and Rock / ARE is returning kicks in place of Thomas. ARE isnt working at returning punts give someone else a try. There is room for impovment on kick off returns, give someone else a try.

Why has Marko Mitchell been inactive for 2 games now? I guess its either 4 rbs (including Mike Sellers) or 5 wrs? Thomas and Kelly are not making a impact on the field so give someone else a try!

[dmvskinzfan08]

[quote=mlmpetert;602942]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)
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It drives me nuts that Yoder is on in place of Davis and Rock / ARE is returning kicks in place of Thomas. ARE isnt working at returning punts give someone else a try. There is room for impovment on kick off returns, give someone else a try.

Why has Marko Mitchell been inactive for 2 games now? I guess its either 4 rbs (including Mike Sellers) or 5 wrs? Thomas and Kelly are not making a impact on the field so give someone else a try!

Better yet why did we bring Alridge back? To add to that we are trying out Chris Henry..wtf?

So how many backs are we going to carry now? 6? And 50% of them can't run..lol. How about we bring in a OL? Hmmm..Ponder that..lol

We should have gotten rid of Betts and Rock. I am really beginning to question the FO now..

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)

For all his height, Kelly really struggles with those fade or lob patterns. They should be throwing more passes over the middle to him. Catch, turn, and run.

Davis missed a block too (badly). And I'm not sure how Yoder is supossed to block two people. That end guy is usually unaccounted for. It was just a good play be Ronde.

In terms of Kelly and Thomas, we've been playing from behind in every game and the tendency there is to get the ball to the people you trust (by both the HC and the QB). Kelly and Campbell don't seem to quite be in synch (this is essentially his rookie season) and Thomas hasn't been in that much as far as I can tell.

I was actually encouraged by yesterday. 16 points in two quarters is about as productive as they've been under Zorn. Jason needs to forget about his rating and being perfect and cautious and let the ball fly. Great QBs throw picks from time to time (Favre?) because you have to take risks. The margins are too close at the NFL level to have guys wide wide wide open all the time.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)

For all his height, Kelly really struggles with those fade or lob patterns. They should be throwing more passes over the middle to him. Catch, turn, and run.

Agreed. On all points.

Kelly is a player, but it hurts him that we're trying to use him as a deep threat that he just doesn't really have a skill set for. If Marko Mitchell can get down the field, our offense is probably fine in the long term. But Santana Moss STILL plays a role in the offense that can't be replaced. And with the way he started this season, it was troublesome. But Santana's here this year and next, and then who knows. Will we still have a deep threat? Depends.