Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Exactly how do you measure that?

Ironically with his rookie scouting report. Everything they've said so far has pretty much been spot on in terms of how he was expected to develop as a pro. I posted it somewhere else but I'll find it. Just give me a second.

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I thought this was kind of crazy. I know scouting reports are frequently wrong but JC's was pretty spot on:

Strengths: Has good overall size and the frame to get even bigger. Is a smooth athlete with above average foot quickness. Show good quickness in his drops. Long legs and gets a deep drop because of stride. He does not have elite arm strength but he is strong enough to make all the NFL throws.

Better zip when throwing right. At his best working short-to-intermediate zones. Shows good touch and timing. His delivery is one of the areas he's most improved. Much more compact and has a high release point. He did not make a lot of big plays on his own at the collegiate level but he really developed into a caretaker.

A quiet leader but came into his own as a senior. Extremely hard working and coaches have nothing but good things to say regarding his intangibles. Is a mild-mannered QB that doesn't seem to get over-excited. Also has become much less volatile in face of pass rush.

Weaknesses: Long accuracy continues to stand out as a problem. The deeper the throw the less consistent he is. Field vision is improved but still not good. Doesn't see entire field, misses too many open WR's. Is a better than average athlete and good scrambler but not a big threat to run. Lacks explosive top-end speed and elusiveness.

Summary: Campbell is a coaches son who also stared in basketball in high school. He became the first freshman to start the season opener at quarterback for Auburn since Stan White in 1990. Campbell started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002 and all 13 games in 2003.

He had by far his best season as a senior in 2004 when he completed 69.6-percent of his passes for 2,700 yards and threw 19 touchdowns and just six interceptions, while leading the Tigers to a perfect 13-0 record.

Campbell has always had excellent size, good athletic ability and above average arm strength, but his poor decision making skills, lack of poise in the pocket, indecisiveness and erratic arm haunted him early in his collegiate career.

Throughout his first three seasons as a starter, Campbell consistently held onto the ball too long, threw too many passes up for grabs when he ran out of time, missed open receivers downfield and overthrew too many of the receivers that he did find open.

However, No player improved his draft value more in 2004 than Campbell. After struggling through three extremely inconsistent and unfulfilling seasons, Campbell thrived as a senior in what was his fourth offensive scheme in four years. New offensive coordinator Al Borges found the right fit for Campbell, as his West Coast scheme simplified things and gave Campbell a lot more definitive reads to make.

As his confidence improved, so too did his production. Most impressive was Campbell's improvement in regards to his decision-making skills, as he threw 13 more touchdowns (19) than interceptions (6) in 2004. Campbell has the physical tools of a first round pick but there are still questions about his downfield accuracy and ability to see the entire field. That's why we grade Campbell out as a solid second round prospect.

Read this and tell me thats not spot on. To me it's scary how accurate this is. From the positives with accuracy on short to intermediate routes to the problems with deep ball accuracy.

[mredskins]

^ I meant more in terms of how we evaluate QB's to the level of the playoffs they will take us.

You said he will only get us to the NFC Champ game, I don't understand why you picked that level.

Does this mean Colt will only take us to the Wild Card round?

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Ironically with his rookie scouting report. Everything they've said so far has pretty much been spot on in terms of how he was expected to develop as a pro. I posted it somewhere else but I'll find it. Just give me a second.




Read this and tell me thats not spot on. To me it's scary how accurate this is. From the positives with accuracy on short to intermediate routes to the problems with deep ball accuracy.

Basically its like we have a rookie QB who isn't getting better.


Good thing he wont be here like that no more.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Ironically with his rookie scouting report. Everything they've said so far has pretty much been spot on in terms of how he was expected to develop as a pro. I posted it somewhere else but I'll find it. Just give me a second.




Read this and tell me thats not spot on. To me it's scary how accurate this is. From the positives with accuracy on short to intermediate routes to the problems with deep ball accuracy.

Where did you get this scouting report from, and what does it say about bradford, clausen, kafka, robinson, lefevour?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by mredskins

^ I meant more in terms of how we evaluate QB's to the level of the playoffs they will take us.

You said he will only get us to the NFC Champ game, I don't understand why you picked that level.

Does this mean Colt will only take us to the Wild Card round?

Thats just a case of looking at the skill level of Super Bowl QB's (guys who got there). Guys like Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Big Ben, Kurt Warner, Eli Manning, Tom Brady. Of that group the only guy I can see Campbells max potential on par with is Eli Manning, and recently Eli's taken his game to another level since winning the Super Bowl.

Being more specific that difficulty reading defenses will kill us in the playoffs unless we can pick up the slack elsewhere either with a dominant running or elite defense, and even then it's difficult to win, especially if you're facing another top flight QB. You saw an example of that this year with the Jets when they faced the Colts. Plus in the playoffs thats were you see the most difficult and elaborate defenses.

Do you really think that even with protection Campbell will be able to dissect them? Even when Campbell had protection we barely beat the Eagles back in 2008. Those are the type of defenses you will see come playoff time. Campbell will either have to unexpectedly evolve or we'll need to find a new QB.

If you want to make it to the playoffs by the skin of your teeth and possibly have a lucky run at the Super Bowl then Campbell is your guy. If you want to be a threat to not only make it, but win it every year then we'd be smart to take a risk one of the top two QB's assuming they end up evaluated as potential franchise QB's.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Where did you get this scouting report from, and what does it say about bradford, clausen, kafka, robinson, lefevour?

Damn slow down . Way to many guys for me to post. And keep in mind sometimes they're wrong. Campbells was a case though where it was litterally spot on. The report itself is from Scouts Inc via ESPN.

Still I will post Bradford and Clausen just give me a second.

[Dirtbag59]

[Dirtbag59]

Posted in a new thread. It was taking up to much room here.

http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-...tml#post663311

[johno]

according to sportscenter this evening, both kiper and mcshay have bradford at one (on their qb boards). i am not saying i want to take a qb with our 4th pick, but if shanahan&co decide thats the move, bradford is the man i want. the descriptor of "cerebral quarterback" is very encouraging.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by johno

according to sportscenter this evening, both kiper and mcshay have bradford at one (on their qb boards). i am not saying i want to take a qb with our 4th pick, but if shanahan&co decide thats the move, bradford is the man i want. the descriptor of "cerebral quarterback" is very encouraging.

Couldn't have said it better.

The thing with Bradford why everyone likes him is because he has the two traits which just about every football coach in america looks at;
Is he accurate?
and is he a winner?

Definitley, and yes.

And for all you Clausen supporters, sure he was at Notre Dame and they didn't win that much his 3 years there because of defense issues, but there were a few games, stanford one of them, where clausen had a chance to take his offense down the field and win, which he was unable to do. He's also got Philip Rivers/Tom Brady attitude problems, where as Sam Bradfords got Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner attitude problems...none at all.

and thank you Dirtbag for your evaluations of the two best QB's in this years draft.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Couldn't have said it better.

The thing with Bradford why everyone likes him is because he has the two traits which just about every football coach in america looks at;
Is he accurate?
and is he a winner?

Definitley, and yes.


and thank you Dirtbag for your evaluations of the two best QB's in this years draft.

No problem. Though I must say I disagree on the second trait. I'd say the ability to read defenses is the second most important trait for a QB to have. Football is the ultimate team game so assigning a win to one player is a little to much for me.

@Ruhskins: If you're reading this you can see what I was talking about with ESPN Insider under Clausens Mental Markup. I sware it's really starting to get to me.


Lol, the Bill fans have an idea of what we're going through.....ok it's kind of different because at least we have a good QB, Buffalo has nothing.

Edwards has coinflip chance?
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Trent Edwards | Bills Top Email

While he didn't appear to be the answer at QB in 2009, Trent Edwards has "at least a 50 percent chance" of being the starter at the outset of the 2010 season, according to Mark Gaughan of the Buffalo News. That sound you hear is Bills Nation collectively hurling their laptops at the wall.

Gaughan notes that by improving in the trenches -- likely going with a blue-chip OT at No. 9 overall in the draft -- the team can "achieve respectability." If they go OT (or another non-QB position) at No. 9, the QB they take in a later round will likely be unready to start right out of the gates.

[CultBrennan59]

Right now, I don't even think we will be able to get Bradford. This is the first sign right here Report: Bulger cleans out locker | ProFootballTalk.com

So now they'll need a QB.

And the team which picks in front of us, the Bucs may trade out of their 3rd overall pick

Dominik says Bucs are ready to trade up, or to trade down | ProFootballTalk.com

now if they were to trade down with the Bills or any other team in need of a QB, then its 50-50 as to which QB they take and the upper hand goes to Bradford.

So now maybe we may not even get Bradford even if we want to...

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Right now, I don't even think we will be able to get Bradford. This is the first sign right here Report: Bulger cleans out locker | ProFootballTalk.com

So now they'll need a QB.

And the team which picks in front of us, the Bucs may trade out of their 3rd overall pick

Dominik says Bucs are ready to trade up, or to trade down | ProFootballTalk.com

now if they were to trade down with the Bills or any other team in need of a QB, then its 50-50 as to which QB they take and the upper hand goes to Bradford.

So now maybe we may not even get Bradford even if we want to...

Apparently they're quite smitten with Vick right now.

Rams' interest in Vick intensifies?
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Michael Vick | Eagles | Interested: Cardinals?, Bills?, Panthers?, Rams?, Raiders? Top Email

Possible Vick landing spots
Buffalo Bills: The team desperately needs a QB, and there could be a scheme match as well: Bills coach Chan Gailey made a viable NFL starter out of Tyler Thigpen in 2008 running a spread offense, and Vick is a souped-up version of Thigpen.
St. Louis Rams: GM Billy Devaney has a relationship with Vick dating back to the Atlanta Falcons days, and Devaney even visited Vick in prison. Like the Bills, the Rams are in dire straits with their QB situation.
We've been speculating on some possible trade locations for Michael Vick for a while now. Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported that Rams assistants were calling in to Philly to ask about Vick and during his lap around Radio Row at the Super Bowl last week, Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo seemed genuinely interested in acquiring Vick, per Miklasz. With the word that Marc Bulger might not be long for St. Louis, this has increased speculation that the Rams are heavily in play for No. 7.

Vick had some interesting remarks on the radio recently (as reported by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution). He indicated that he was "complacent, somewhat lazy" while with the Falcons, and he vowed to work harder for his next team. Buzz on a possible Vick deal puts the price tag as a fourth-rounder, according to multiple sources.

In addition to the Bills and Rams -- considered the two front-runners -- Clifton Brown of the Sporting News opines that the Raiders, Panthers and Cardinals all make sense as trade destinations for No. 7.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Right now, I don't even think we will be able to get Bradford. This is the first sign right here Report: Bulger cleans out locker | ProFootballTalk.com

So now they'll need a QB.

And the team which picks in front of us, the Bucs may trade out of their 3rd overall pick

Dominik says Bucs are ready to trade up, or to trade down | ProFootballTalk.com

now if they were to trade down with the Bills or any other team in need of a QB, then its 50-50 as to which QB they take and the upper hand goes to Bradford.

So now maybe we may not even get Bradford even if we want to...

You trust PFT wayy too much. That being said, sounds like under these scenarios we would get our pick of the litter when it comes to tackles. Not a horrible situation to be in if you are a Redskins fan.

[CultBrennan59]

Redskins Insider - Kiper's argument for the Redskins drafting Clausen

Mel Kipers reasoning to Jason Reid as to why we should get Clausen and go QB first OL second.