How About Jermon Bushrod for a Second Rounder

[T.O.Killa]

I read what Saints bloggers had to say about Bushrod and not one of them blaimed him for Ware's big day. They all said that any team would have helped out more against Ware. Again, not sure, but if our scouts think he can play LT and we can get him for next years second round draft pick, then it would be the best move in the world.

[MTK]

If we did go after him, I definitely would put him at RT. If you can't let your LT lock up one on one consistently with the top pass rushers in this league, you've got a problem.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If we did go after him, I definitely would put him at RT. If you can't let your LT lock up one on one consistently with the top pass rushers in this league, you've got a problem.

I agree with your posts in this thread; Bushrod could even barely handle Freeney (with the foot injury) in the Super Bowl game.. I would prefer to spend the 2nd pick on Charles Brown or whoever else is available..

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

I agree with your posts in this thread; Bushrod could even barely handle Freeney (with the foot injury) in the Super Bowl game.. I would prefer to spend the 2nd pick on Charles Brown or whoever else is available..

In all fairness, getting beat by Freeney and Ware doesn't mean you are a bum. I seem to remember those guys beating Samuels at least once a game.

If I was to bet on it, I would think that the top pass rushers will make Brown, Okung, Davis and any other rookie look bad out of the gate.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

In all fairness, getting beat by Freeney and Ware doesn't mean you are a bum. I seem to remember those guys beating Samuels at least once a game.

If I was to bet on it, I would think that the top pass rushers will make Brown, Okung, Davis and any other rookie look bad out of the gate.

True true.. However, that's why I added the foot injury part.. If Freeney was healthy, then maybe it would be different story for me.. I just don't believe we should spend our 2nd pick on a LT who already showed he can't handle all pass rushers, right when we have an opportunity to draft a T who have lot of potentials to stop all (or most) pass rushers..

Although I can't help but wonder why Saints are trying to shopping him around? Why wouldn't they want to keep him as back-up, just in case if Jammall Brown or RT (I don't remember who) goes down?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

True true.. However, that's why I added the foot injury part.. If Freeney was healthy, then maybe it would be different story for me.. I just don't believe we should spend our 2nd pick on a LT who already showed he can't handle all pass rushers, right when we have an opportunity to draft a T who have lot of potentials to stop all (or most) pass rushers..

Although I can't help but wonder why Saints are trying to shopping him around? Why wouldn't they want to keep him as back-up, just in case if Jammall Brown or RT (I don't remember who) goes down?

I would rather keep the 2nd pick too.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

I agree with your posts in this thread; Bushrod could even barely handle Freeney (with the foot injury) in the Super Bowl game.. I would prefer to spend the 2nd pick on Charles Brown or whoever else is available..

There will be value in the second round if we're looking at acquiring another lineman at that spot. Allen won't be long on trading away draft choices when we could get value where we are and wouldn't have to surrender a draft pick for another teams player. The days of trading away draft pick could be history.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

There will be value in the second round if we're looking at acquiring another lineman at that spot. Allen won't be long on trading away draft choices when we could get value where we are and wouldn't have to surrender a draft pick for another teams player. The days of trading away draft pick could be history.

Yeah, but what if we could get a left tackle with a second round tender draft choice in 2011, and a right tackle with our current draft choice.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Yeah, but what if we could get a left tackle with a second round tender draft choice in 2011, and a right tackle with our current draft choice.

So much about 2011 is still uncertain yet, and a 2nd round tender for Bushrod would not be conditional unless a deal was consumated to that effect. Anything less than an arranged agreement would require a 2nd rounder in the 2010 draft. If it's linemen we'll be lookinfg for in 2011 there may be a better player than Bushrod available to us at that time. I've just never been one in favor of trading away draft picks, they're the closest thing to gold in today's NFL.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If we did go after him, I definitely would put him at RT. If you can't let your LT lock up one on one consistently with the top pass rushers in this league, you've got a problem.

That is a 101% true statement. You have to have more faith in your LT than any other position on the field. This guy would fit in as a candidate to compete with whatever rookie we draft after Okung for the starting RT position, and with Dockery and Rabach, and bring in Sims over from Seattle, and you have yourself a very quality offensive line. I am sure whoever is behind center this year will be better protected, no matter who we bring in this year. Shanny always has good lines.

[Ruhskins]

How 'bout we just pick the best tackle in the draft with our #4?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

How 'bout we just pick the best tackle in the draft with our #4?

and draft some guys in the 5th or later and develop our own bushrods of the world.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Saints could still match to keep him...but No on giving up our 2nd for him. He's nothing special and unless he's gotten significantly stronger since his combine, his upper body numbers aren't good for a starting NFL OL.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Saints could still match to keep him...but No on giving up our 2nd for him. He's nothing special and unless he's gotten significantly stronger since his combine, his upper body numbers aren't good for a starting NFL OL.

I would assume he has gotten significantly stronger. He came from Towson for God sakes,and was a forth rounder. They saw some raw talent to pick him that high. Freeney and Ware are one and two best pass rushers in the league. I don't care if Freeney was playing with an amputated leg, he is a beast. When ever players like that play in a game like the super bowl they do well. thats why they are all pro's. All I am saying, is if he can play LT, we should take him.

[SBXVII]

I know I read it here somewhere but not sure who posted it from where.... but the article pretty much pointed out that M.Shanahan has had great success building his 1st ranked offensive lines through mid round draft choices. Perhaps it was the scheme, I don't know or the OL coach, but hopefully he can continue to do this. I'd say pass on throwing away a draft pick and usually I'm the one saying lets get him cause he's a proven player. Plus I think he came out of King George VA. if its the same LT I'm thinking of. He did have trouble with Ware but that could be solved with a couple of chip blocks by the RB or Ware getting beat when he makes that rush.

The team has a camp coming up prior to the draft so the coach's will know what they have in OL and what they don't. Like Levi, although he was not impressive he made a statement that was very telling just after he signed with us .... he said he has not utilized Bugels style of man-to-man since his college days. Which means what? was he more of a zone blocker? Levi might do better under Shanahan's zone blocking since his whole career he ran that scheme. I'm guessing.

I think if there is not outstanding LT available in FA I'd look to pick up a decent player to fill the RT spot. Draft a QB at #4, and pick up the LT in the second round. Look at a FS in the 4th round (unless we pick someone up in FA), and possibly OL the rest of the way and bring in a lot of UFA OL.

We have many holes to fill and I guess it depends on what the team decides to do? I'm not advocating it but if they were to try to the big splash again:

Peppers-DE/LB
Sproles-RB
Pashos(49ers OL)-OL

Then look to pick up a FS some of our problems would be solved. We needed LB, RB, FS, a whole mess of OL, and a more accurate QB. The QB could be addressed in the draft as well as OL and FS. I still think they will try to pick up a big named WR also. As most of you have said I could see Walter of the Texans since he knows the scheme or Bryant of Tampa since the K.Shanahan would be familiar with him or T.O. since M.Shanahan tried to pick him up once before, and even though I'd rather have the other two my spidey senses are telling me T.O. is on their list since it would give our young WR another year under their belt, T.O. could help McCardell coach them up for next year, and he most likely would be cheaper then the other two.