Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly

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Originally Posted by takethecake

I'm not going to care about AH until he shows up for opening day out of shape and plays poorly. If he shows up in shape and performs on the field, we're all going to be eating crow for denouncing him this offseason.

Not me I made this post on the 5/9/10

You guys sound like a women complaining about not getting what she wanted for her birthday. If he shows up and is out of shape come game day then bitch all you want but for now lets wait and see. Last season people bitched because they said he took to many plays off and was out of shape. Now that he says hea is working hard to get into shape the same people are bitching. If you reply to this post while at home maybe you should volunteer and go into work today.

[hooskins]

Sure they wish he would at camp, but I still dont see how they are up in arms and wont ever play well with AH again. Not too happy with the Post for this article. Also his teammates arent really calling him out. They were baited to give an answer on a pointed question.

No one came out anonymously and went to the media complaining about AH. They are saying that it would be better if he was heard. Well no crap captain obvious. He's doing his own thing.

I hope Cooley's feelings are aired on ESPN. They probably wont because its not the image of AH that they want to portray. I blame SS.

[GTripp0012]

Maybe not being mentioned here is the fact that the interests of the team and interests of Haynesworth aren't at all divergent. Sure, Shanahan prefers if AH is in camp with the rest of his teammates learning a defense that Jim Haslett is also learning to teach to him, as you would expect from a football coach.

Haynesworth needs to get his numbers because he has a sense of personal pride and a huge contract to live up to, so you better damn believe he's going to get his. And the Redskins need Haynesworth to get his numbers because they have very few people capable of getting that production. So the Redskins need Haynesworth to be in the best possible physical condition a lot more than they needed him at this last mini-camp.

I'm not sure those things are mutually exclusive, but I have little reason to doubt that AH is acting in both his best interest and the best long-term interest of the team.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Maybe not being mentioned here is the fact that the interests of the team and interests of Haynesworth aren't at all divergent. Sure, Shanahan prefers if AH is in camp with the rest of his teammates learning a defense that Jim Haslett is also learning to teach to him, as you would expect from a football coach.

Haynesworth needs to get his numbers because he has a sense of personal pride and a huge contract to live up to, so you better damn believe he's going to get his. And the Redskins need Haynesworth to get his numbers because they have very few people capable of getting that production. So the Redskins need Haynesworth to be in the best possible physical condition a lot more than they needed him at this last mini-camp.

I'm not sure those things are mutually exclusive, but I have little reason to doubt that AH is acting in both his best interest and the best long-term interest of the team.

i still don't understand why some people reason this way. If being in the best possible condition is the argument, then Haynesworth skipping voluntary workouts to work with his own physical trainer is understandable. However, failing to travel to DC for three days for a team minicamp is not. Its not like 3 days away from his trainer would ruin this whole offseason workout regimine.

If Haynesworth really wanted to do what was best for both himself and the redskins, he would either:
1) be at all the team OTAs, or
2) work out on his own and come to all the minicamps.

Why is it so hard to accept the obvious - Haynesworth was not at minicamp because he is pissed with the team, does not like how they plan to use him, and is trying to force a trade (or perhaps pressure the skins into sticking with a 4-3).

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

i still don't understand why some people reason this way. If being in the best possible condition is the argument, then Haynesworth skipping voluntary workouts to work with his own physical trainer is understandable. However, failing to travel to DC for three days for a team minicamp is not. Its not like 3 days away from his trainer would ruin this whole offseason workout regimine.

If Haynesworth really wanted to do what was best for both himself and the redskins, he would either:
1) be at all the team OTAs, or
2) work out on his own and come to all the minicamps.

Why is it so hard to accept the obvious - Haynesworth was not at minicamp because he is pissed with the team, does not like how they plan to use him, and is trying to force a trade (or perhaps pressure the skins into sticking with a 4-3).

And it is hard to understand why you think this is a big deal. But then again, if he is "forcing" the team to stick to the 4-3, actually I'd be all for that because I believe our team has no business being in the 3-4.

Everything that has come directly from Haynesworth himself says that he is not thrilled with the 3-4, but he'll play it. He also wishes they'd use him as a 3-4 DE and not a NT, which I agree. Is he trying to push for a trade? Probably, but it'd be smart for the team to keep him because given the perception of a problem (it is my believe) the team won't get a fair compensation.

Personally, I'd like to see this team use their players better. If this were any other player, we'd be having a discussion about this whole change to the 3-4, whether we should do it, and why do we keep having coaches that don't use their players to the best of their capacity. But since it's Haynesworth, the bitter girlfriends just keep hounding on just him being absent.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

And it is hard to understand why you think this is a big deal. But then again, if he is "forcing" the team to stick to the 4-3, actually I'd be all for that because I believe our team has no business being in the 3-4.

Everything that has come directly from Haynesworth himself says that he is not thrilled with the 3-4, but he'll play it. He also wishes they'd use him as a 3-4 DE and not a NT, which I agree. Is he trying to push for a trade? Probably, but it'd be smart for the team to keep him because given the perception of a problem (it is my believe) the team won't get a fair compensation.

Personally, I'd like to see this team use their players better. If this were any other player, we'd be having a discussion about this whole change to the 3-4, whether we should do it, and why do we keep having coaches that don't use their players to the best of their capacity. But since it's Haynesworth, the bitter girlfriends just keep hounding on just him being absent.

only a complete fool will take anything haynesworth, his agent, or the redskins front office says about the situation at face value Remember, they all said Snyder was meeting with Speck to talk about Malcom Kelly.

If you consider the possibility that Haynesworth really DOES want to be traded, and the team is still open to the possibility, then everyone's behavior makes compete sense. In that scenario, everyone would be acting exactly as they are. Actions speak louder than words. In light of what we know, the scenario that makes the most sense is that Haynesworth wants out.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

only a complete fool will take anything haynesworth, his agent, or the redskins front office says about the situation at face value Remember, they all said Snyder was meeting with Speck to talk about Malcom Kelly.

If you consider the possibility that Haynesworth really DOES want to be traded, and the team is still open to the possibility, then everyone's behavior makes compete sense. In that scenario, everyone would be acting exactly as they are. Actions speak louder than words. In light of what we know, the scenario that makes the most sense is that Haynesworth wants out.

Well the media swore we were getting Peppers, but we all know how that turned out. I'm just a fool that thinks somewhat logically, instead of basing my comments on wishful thinking or some pissy grudge against a player.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

And it is hard to understand why you think this is a big deal. But then again, if he is "forcing" the team to stick to the 4-3, actually I'd be all for that because I believe our team has no business being in the 3-4.

Everything that has come directly from Haynesworth himself says that he is not thrilled with the 3-4, but he'll play it. He also wishes they'd use him as a 3-4 DE and not a NT, which I agree. Is he trying to push for a trade? Probably, but it'd be smart for the team to keep him because given the perception of a problem (it is my believe) the team won't get a fair compensation.

Personally, I'd like to see this team use their players better. If this were any other player, we'd be having a discussion about this whole change to the 3-4, whether we should do it, and why do we keep having coaches that don't use their players to the best of their capacity. But since it's Haynesworth, the bitter girlfriends just keep hounding on just him being absent.

I agree...... and all this bashing Haynesworth started after Shanahan came aboard and voiced his displeasure about him not being here for voluntary work. There was not a single thread condemning Haynesworth between the end of last season and the time Shanahan came to Washington, and even he has not exactly walked on water just yet.

Haynesworth's not being here now is more an indictment against the team's poorly run training program last year which only a few want to talk about, and which prompted him to plan another option before the general arrived that he felt was going to help him better his performance.

I would challenge anyone to show documentation (video) or a statement coming from the mouth of Haynesworth where he actually stated he wanted to be traded, or where he didn't want to play the N/T position in a 3-4 defensive alignment. I heard him state his preference, nothing more or less. Mind you, I'm not talking about what somebody said or what has been widely reported in the media. Much of the negative reporting surrounding Haynesworth has proven to be pure conjecture, based on mindless premature judgement and speculation.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I agree...... and all this bashing Haynesworth started after Shanahan came aboard and voiced his displeasure about him not being here for voluntary work. There was not a single thread condemning Haynesworth between the end of last season and the time Shanahan came to Washington, and even he has not exactly walked on water just yet.

Haynesworth's not being here now is more an indictment against the team's poorly run training program last year which only a few want to talk about, and which prompted him to plan another option before the general arrived that he felt was going to help him better his performance.

I would challenge anyone to show documentation (video) or a statement coming from the mouth of Haynesworth where he actually stated he wanted to be traded, or where he didn't want to play the N/T position in a 3-4 defensive alignment. I heard him state his preference, nothing more or less. Mind you, I'm not talking about what somebody said or what has been widely reported in the media. Much of the negative reporting surrounding Haynesworth has proven to be pure conjecture, based on mindless premature judgement and speculation.

All Haynesworth has said is that he'd prefer to play DE in the 3-4, because he feels that he'd be more useful and effective. However, he has also said that he'd play whatever the coaches tell him to play.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

i still don't understand why some people reason this way. If being in the best possible condition is the argument, then Haynesworth skipping voluntary workouts to work with his own physical trainer is understandable. However, failing to travel to DC for three days for a team minicamp is not. Its not like 3 days away from his trainer would ruin this whole offseason workout regimine.

If Haynesworth really wanted to do what was best for both himself and the redskins, he would either:
1) be at all the team OTAs, or
2) work out on his own and come to all the minicamps.

Why is it so hard to accept the obvious - Haynesworth was not at minicamp because he is pissed with the team, does not like how they plan to use him, and is trying to force a trade (or perhaps pressure the skins into sticking with a 4-3).

Dude, seriously stop making shit up. Every day you make up shit about Haynesworth and you state it as if it is an obvious fact. It is not.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Dude, seriously stop making shit up. Every day you make up shit about Haynesworth and you state it as if it is an obvious fact. It is not.

it is obvious. if someone can come up with a logical explaination for all of haynesworth's offseason behavior, that also fits with what we know of him as a player in his entire professional career, i'd love to hear it. so far, everyone just says florio and JLC are making crap up for the fun of it, without providing a plausible explaination for AH's behavior. sorry, but i'm not that gullible.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

it is obvious. if someone can come up with a logical explaination for all of haynesworth's offseason behavior, that also fits with what we know of him as a player in his entire professional career, i'd love to hear it. so far, everyone just says florio and JLC are making crap up for the fun of it, without providing a plausible explaination for AH's behavior. sorry, but i'm not that gullible.

All his offseason behavior? What is he doing besides working out on his own?

[KI Skins Fan]

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;700101]Maybe not being mentioned here is the fact that the interests of the team and interests of Haynesworth aren't at all divergent. Sure, Shanahan prefers if AH is in camp with the rest of his teammates learning a defense that Jim Haslett is also learning to teach to him, as you would expect from a football coach.

Haynesworth needs to get his numbers because he has a sense of personal pride and a huge contract to live up to, so you better damn believe he's going to get his. And the Redskins need Haynesworth to get his numbers because they have very few people capable of getting that production. So the Redskins need Haynesworth to be in the best possible physical condition a lot more than they needed him at this last mini-camp.

I'm not sure those things are mutually exclusive, but I have little reason to doubt that AH is acting in both his best interest and the best long-term interest of the team.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he's the greatest! If only all the other players would be like him and care enough about the best long term interests of the team to stay away from the minicamps. But, alas, they don't - the selfish bastards!

OK, I'll grant you that he has the right to stay away. I'll even grant you that he's probably working out hard. But please don't try to turn his absence from a 3 day minicamp into a "AH is acting in the best interests of the team" argument. That's just not true.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Yeah, he's the greatest! If only all the other players would be like him and care enough about the best long term interests of the team to stay away from the minicamps. But, alas, they don't - the selfish bastards!

OK, I'll grant you that he has the right to stay away. I'll even grant you that he's probably working out hard. But please don't try to turn his absence from a 3 day minicamp into a "AH is acting in the best interests of the team" argument. That's just not true.

I think the bitter girlfriends group need to write Roger Goodell and ask him to outlaw voluntary camps, and make all camps, OTAs, and workout sessions mandatory. I think this would solve this, and any problem.

On a serious note, I think this would not be a bad idea. I find "voluntary" sessions to be stupid, and the commotion they create in the media and fans is even worst.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think the bitter girlfriends group need to write Roger Goodell and ask him to outlaw voluntary camps, and make all camps, OTAs, and workout sessions mandatory. I think this would solve this, and any problem.

On a serious note, I think this would not be a bad idea. I find "voluntary" sessions to be stupid, and the commotion they create in the media and fans is even worst.

I know where it came from, but I don't get the whole bitter girlfriend thing. At the core, this is about "who do you want in the foxhole with you". The 50+ guys who made sacrifices to be at the voluntary workouts to make the team better, or the one selfish a-hole who didn't.