WP: Haynesworth will skip minicamp, wants trade

[Ruhskins]

I love how people are focusing on the player, yet this will signify a major fail by this organization....I would say both from the previous and current regimes.

To begin, I would say that AH is a major dick for doing this, but there is nothing we can do about this and in the end his reputation will take a major hit.

However, I fault this whole situation on the team for: 1. Paying a ton of money for a player that had some discipline issues (last regime). 2. Completely changing the defensive scheme that would make the team's most expensive player into something completely different (NT); and not trading him before the draft (this is whole on the current regime).

Now teams are going to low-ball the Redskins, because he has become a problem child for the team. Regardless, all parties are at fault and all lose something...well except AH who earned 21 mil. for playing a few games last season.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I love how people are focusing on the player, yet this will signify a major fail by this organization....I would say both from the previous and current regimes.

To begin, I would say that AH is a major dick for doing this, but there is nothing we can do about this and in the end his reputation will take a major hit.

However, I fault this whole situation on the team for: 1. Paying a ton of money for a player that had some discipline issues (last regime). 2. Completely changing the defensive scheme that would make the team's most expensive player into something completely different (NT); and not trading him before the draft (this is whole on the current regime).

Now teams are going to low-ball the Redskins, because he has become a problem child for the team. Regardless, all parties are at fault and all lose something...well except AH who earned 21 mil. for playing a few games last season.

This is the final nail in the coffin hopefully for the Danny in having a major say in football operations, other than signing the checks. The guy cost us a good decade almost right off the bat. He fired Norv midseason, when the man still had a winning record and a shot at the playoffs, made good with getting Marty, but canned him since he wanted more control, then hired gimmick HCs in Spurrier, then Gibbs(who was out of the game for over a decade), then hired a moron for HC. He gave millions to the new "Wheeze Kids" during the last days of the Turner era, and of course we can't forget the lousy drafts. I mean who could manage to screw up when you have 2 first rounders?( I know hindsight is 20/20, but you know JC and Rogers never lived up to their billing)

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I love how people are focusing on the player, yet this will signify a major fail by this organization....I would say both from the previous and current regimes.

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However, I fault this whole situation on the team for: 1. Paying a ton of money for a player that had some discipline issues (last regime). 2. Completely changing the defensive scheme that would make the team's most expensive player into something completely different (NT); and not trading him before the draft (this is whole on the current regime).
Now teams are going to low-ball the Redskins, because he has become a problem child for the team. Regardless, all parties are at fault and all lose something...well except AH who earned 21 mil. for playing a few games last season.

Sorry, this is a true Snyderrato. Shanahan and Allen came in and said - "Here's how we're playing the game. I am the coach, he's the GM and we decide what's best for the team. The inmates are no longer running the asylum. Get on board with that now." Who's to say Haynesworth wouldn't be a kick ass NT if he tried? Guess we will never know.

As for trading AH, F that. AH wanted to pull a Cutler on Shanahan and Shanny said "Nope."

I got nooooo problems with how Shanahan has handled it. Coaches rule, Players drool.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Sorry, this is a true Snyderrato. Shanahan and Allen came in and said - "Here's how we're playing the game. I am the coach, he's the GM and we decide what's best for the team. The inmates are no longer running the asylum. Get on board with that now." Who's to say Haynesworth wouldn't be a kick ass NT if he tried? Guess we will never know.

As for trading AH, F that. AH wanted to pull a Cutler on Shanahan and Shanny said "Nope."

I got nooooo problems with how Shanahan has handled it. Coaches rule, Players drool.

I'm sorry but I am not OK on how Shanahan has handled this. Unless, he pulls a great trade (i.e.: AH for Mankins, or AH for Jamal Brown, etc., etc.) nothing is going to help us this season. Shit, at least a 3rd rounder could have gotten us a player in this year's draft.

If this is not resolved, at least the team can fine AH and try to get some of their money back. Otherwise, even if his fat ass sits on a bench, that does nothing positive for the team.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sorry but I am not OK on how Shanahan has handled this. Unless, he pulls a great trade (i.e.: AH for Mankins, or AH for Jamal Brown, etc., etc.) nothing is going to help us this season. Shit, at least a 3rd rounder could have gotten us a player in this year's draft.

If this is not resolved, at least the team can fine AH and try to get some of their money back. Otherwise, even if his fat ass sits on a bench, that does nothing positive for the team.

Pull off a "great trade" b/c the player demands it?? I call BS. AH cost us the Skins nothing but Snyder's money (Cry me a river on that one). AH is not going to make or break this season. Clearly Shanallen have been planning for this contingency (How many DT's did we sign?).

Shanahan is telling the rest of the team - "I decide, nobody else - so you better get on board." Ultimately, that is a vast improvement over past years. If I am Shanny, the only way I trade AH is if we get a stone cold stellar offer otherwise it looks like I am caving. Not gonna happen (stellar offer or Shanny caving).

You would rather players be allowed to bitch there way out of playing how the coach's wants them too? (Santana: "I am the number one WR or I don't play"; CP: "Either I am a three down back or trade me"; Los: "I am the starting CB or trade me", etc. etc. etc.).

Sorry, whether it's where, how or when they play or if they are even part of the team, coach's dictate to the players. Not vice versa.

[GMScud]

And for all the people who said him missing voluntary workouts was no big deal.... This guy is a gigantic pile of shit. And he got $32M from us for playing in 12 games. This is irreconcileable at this point. Even if he is a Redskin this year, he'll be a fat, lazy, half-assed player. By that I mean he'll be himself.

And what really sucks is we're not gonna get any value for him.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sorry but I am not OK on how Shanahan has handled this. Unless, he pulls a great trade (i.e.: AH for Mankins, or AH for Jamal Brown, etc., etc.) nothing is going to help us this season. Shit, at least a 3rd rounder could have gotten us a player in this year's draft.

If this is not resolved, at least the team can fine AH and try to get some of their money back. Otherwise, even if his fat ass sits on a bench, that does nothing positive for the team.

Sometimes principles take precedence over logic.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Sorry, this is a true Snyderrato. Shanahan and Allen came in and said - "Here's how we're playing the game. I am the coach, he's the GM and we decide what's best for the team. The inmates are no longer running the asylum. Get on board with that now." Who's to say Haynesworth wouldn't be a kick ass NT if he tried? Guess we will never know.

As for trading AH, F that. AH wanted to pull a Cutler on Shanahan and Shanny said "Nope."

I got nooooo problems with how Shanahan has handled it. Coaches rule, Players drool.

Shanny doesn't lose Joe, Snyder does, so SHanny can do whatever he wants. This is Snyder's wakeup call and he alone will eat the money. It is a hard lesson for him, but the man deserves it to be honest. In the end Shanny does need to trade AH, even if just for a 1-3 round draft pick(s). Like the housing market, you can't expect to get a fair deal with such an overpriced asset. Snyder was a total dumbass for paying the man $100 million. Not even Lawrence Taylor in his prime was worth that kind of money!!!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Shanny doesn't lose Joe, Snyder does. This is Snyder's wakeup call and he alone will eat the money. It is a hard lesson for him, but the man deserves it to be honest. In the end Shanny does need to trade AH, even if just for a 1-3 round draft pick(s). Like the housing market, you can't expect to get a fair deal with such an overpriced asset. Snyder was a total dumbass for paying the man $100 million. Not even Lawrence Taylor in his prime was worth that kind of money!!!

Shanny will lose if the defense sucks and the team sucks, because his move to the 3-4 will be brought into question.


Anyway, anybody know what the monetary fines are for players that hold out from mandatory camp and the regular season? Hell, at least we would get some money back.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I love how people are focusing on the player, yet this will signify a major fail by this organization....I would say both from the previous and current regimes.

To begin, I would say that AH is a major dick for doing this, but there is nothing we can do about this and in the end his reputation will take a major hit.

However, I fault this whole situation on the team for: 1. Paying a ton of money for a player that had some discipline issues (last regime). 2. Completely changing the defensive scheme that would make the team's most expensive player into something completely different (NT); and not trading him before the draft (this is whole on the current regime).

Now teams are going to low-ball the Redskins, because he has become a problem child for the team. Regardless, all parties are at fault and all lose something...well except AH who earned 21 mil. for playing a few games last season.

There is no defending this fat sack of shit anymore. Yeah we shouldn't never signed this loser but he signed a contract. Had he done his homework he would've known that Zorn was a lame duck, he would've known that Snyder isn't patient w/ coaches. And Kris Jenkins isn't bitching about playing NT after being a 4-3 tackle in Carolina. It's the NFL, shit changes. See this shows me how dumb this guy is. Change happens in any line of work all the time. Deal with it fat boy. You took the money.