Utah killer executed by firing squad

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The death penalty should be abolished for so many reasons. The cost, the hypocrisy of it, the fact that too many innocent people are wrongly put to death, etc. It's just barbaric. As a so called "civilized" society we should be better than this.

Part of the state's authority in administering justice is to provide retribution to the victims and society in general. Someone rapes/murders my wife, sister or kills my son, godson, or niece, the state damn well better execute the SOB. If not, I'd do everything in my power to find a way to handle it.

The number of innocent people executed is extremely small and even smaller with today's better technology. What about the people who commit murder that would classify as a death penalty punishment, aren't they barbaric? A civilized society is ruled by laws, and violation of those laws requires punishment.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Part of the state's authority in administering justice is to provide retribution to the victims and society in general. Someone rapes/murders my wife, sister or kills my son, godson, or niece, the state damn well better execute the SOB. If not, I'd do everything in my power to find a way to handle it.

The number of innocent people executed is extremely small and even smaller with today's better technology. What about the people who commit murder that would classify as a death penalty punishment, aren't they barbaric? A civilized society is ruled by laws, and violation of those laws requires punishment.

Murder is murder, period. Saying it's only justified as a punishment makes no sense to me at all. Yes, the act of murder should be punished. Life in prison is just fine. This eye for an eye bullshit however is absurd and caveman-esque thinking.

There are no statistics to show that the death penalty acts as a deterent and most families with a murdered family member report no feeling of satisfaction when their killer is put to death.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Murder is murder, period. Saying it's only justified as a punishment makes no sense to me at all. Yes, the act of murder should be punished. Life in prison is just fine. This eye for an eye bullshit however is absurd and caveman-esque thinking.

There are no statistics to show that the death penalty acts as a deterent and most families with a murdered family member report no feeling of satisfaction when their killer is put to death.

Are you just making stuff up there are statistics

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Are you just making stuff up there are statistics

Pro Capital Punishment Page

Sure there are stats, but of course there's another side to the story

Discussion of Recent Deterrence Studies | Death Penalty Information Center

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Murder is murder, period. Saying it's only justified as a punishment makes no sense to me at all. Yes, the act of murder should be punished. Life in prison is just fine. This eye for an eye bullshit however is absurd and caveman-esque thinking.

There are no statistics to show that the death penalty acts as a deterent and most families with a murdered family member report no feeling of satisfaction when their killer is put to death.

You may want to read some of these victim statements. Is there satisfaction in watching a murderer die, of course not, because his death doesn't bring a loved one back.

Victim Impact Statements

"Justice will only be achieved when those who are not injured by crime, feel as indignant as those who are."
-King Solomon 635-577 BC

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Murder is murder, period. Saying it's only justified as a punishment makes no sense to me at all. Yes, the act of murder should be punished. Life in prison is just fine. This eye for an eye bullshit however is absurd and caveman-esque thinking.

There are no statistics to show that the death penalty acts as a deterent and most families with a murdered family member report no feeling of satisfaction when their killer is put to death.

This is accurate. There are no studies that truly quantify the effect of the death penalty as a deterrent. Either way. Again, common sense says it doesn't work though.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Murder is murder, period. Saying it's only justified as a punishment makes no sense to me at all. Yes, the act of murder should be punished. Life in prison is just fine. This eye for an eye bullshit however is absurd and caveman-esque thinking.

There are no statistics to show that the death penalty acts as a deterent and most families with a murdered family member report no feeling of satisfaction when their killer is put to death.

Murder = Killing an innocent

Killing = Is justified (like the hamburgers that you eat)

Life in prison is just fine with me too, under hard labor where I don't flip the bill. The only problem with that is, bleeding heart liberal assholes let them out and they do it all over again, and again, and again, etc. Life in prison is too good for a pedophile. They should be hung or shot. I'd do it myself if the police weren't in the way.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Murder is murder, period. Saying it's only justified as a punishment makes no sense to me at all. Yes, the act of murder should be punished. Life in prison is just fine. This eye for an eye bullshit however is absurd and caveman-esque thinking.

There are no statistics to show that the death penalty acts as a deterent and most families with a murdered family member report no feeling of satisfaction when their killer is put to death.

While I do not disagree with your statement , you have to agree , if we put the worst of the worst , multiple rapes/murders , to death , the victims and their families never have to worry about the scum bag getting out and commiting another violent crime .

[MTK]

Originally Posted by budw38

While I do not disagree with your statement , you have to agree , if we put the worst of the worst , multiple rapes/murders , to death , the victims and their families never have to worry about the scum bag getting out and commiting another violent crime .

A life sentence with no possibility of parole does the trick too.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

A life sentence with no possibility of parole does the trick too.

Honestly makes no difference to me , I guess I believe the people in each state have a right to vote on whether or not to execute . I also would add , if a man breaks into a home and rapes the women and her kid , I have no problem shooting that bag of garbage asap .

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Part of the state's authority in administering justice is to provide retribution to the victims and society in general. Someone rapes/murders my wife, sister or kills my son, godson, or niece, the state damn well better execute the SOB. If not, I'd do everything in my power to find a way to handle it.

The number of innocent people executed is extremely small and even smaller with today's better technology. What about the people who commit murder that would classify as a death penalty punishment, aren't they barbaric? A civilized society is ruled by laws, and violation of those laws requires punishment.

ahhh the classic two wrongs make a right argument

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

ahhh the classic two wrongs make a right argument

Well, wouldn't it be wrong not to execute the person who rapes/kills SS33's niece, yet instead provide them with a roof over their head, clothing, toilet, and 3 meals a day while they live out the rest of their lives on the dime of the American taxpayer?

The most brutal and horrific crimes should be met with steepest of punishment. I'm not saying everyone convicted of murder should die, but the most hardcore, grisly, horrific killers/rapists have no place draining resources in our prison system. One way or another they're dying behind bars. Why not just get that shit over with? Considering what they've taken from their victims and their families, why should they be afforded the gift of time to read, relax, and "rehabilitate?"

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well, wouldn't it be wrong not to execute the person who rapes/kills SS33's niece, yet instead provide them with a roof over their head, clothing, toilet, and 3 meals a day while they live out the rest of their lives on the dime of the American taxpayer?

The most brutal and horrific crimes should be met with steepest of punishment. I'm not saying everyone convicted of murder should die, but the most hardcore, grisly, horrific killers/rapists have no place draining resources in our prison system. One way or another they're dying behind bars. Why not just get that shit over with? Considering what they've taken from their victims and their families, why should they be afforded the gift of time to read, relax, and "rehabilitate?"

You make it sound like life in prison is a Club Med vacation or something. Actually life in prison is a pretty horrible price to pay on its own. Locking someone up for life is a very serious penalty.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You make it sound like life in prison is a Club Med vacation or something. Actually life in prison is a pretty horrible price to pay on its own. Locking someone up for life is a very serious penalty.

Yea its so bad some people get out of jail then commit a crime just to go back to jail. While I would never want to spend time in jail the system in the US is not that bad. Hell if they think something is not fair they can sue the jail/city in court. In my eyes when that cell door shuts behind you your rights are gone. I'd make those bastards work for their room and board.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Yea its so bad some people get out of jail then commit a crime just to go back to jail. While I would never want to spend time in jail the system in the US is not that bad. Hell if they think something is not fair they can sue the jail/city in court. In my eyes when that cell door shuts behind you your rights are gone. I'd make those bastards work for their room and board.

I agree that we should get prisoners to work.

But somehow you missed the "life in prison" phrase in the original post. We're not talking here of turning murderers loose.