The never ending Jason Campbell player haters ball

[MonkFan4Life]

Q: Should Campbell have recognized the Raiders were in the wrong formation on fourth-and-1 and called a time out?


Cable: Yeah, absolutely. In the heat of the battle, whatever it is, we didn’t get it done. I tried to fix it, but (the officials) weren’t paying attention to us.


This is what I was talking about when I bashed him. Gotta be better than that.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Q: Should Campbell have recognized the Raiders were in the wrong formation on fourth-and-1 and called a time out?
Cable: Yeah, absolutely. In the heat of the battle, whatever it is, we didn’t get it done. I tried to fix it, but (the officials) weren’t paying attention to us.
This is what I was talking about when I bashed him. Gotta be better than that.

wait a second.
a coach has his team in the wrong formation and its the QB's fault?
So every time a team has an illegal formation its the QBs fault?
By that token there are a lot of QBs that make that same mistake every Sunday.
Didn't we have an illegal formation in week 1?
Should McNabb get bashed?

Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights

If i said that historically a black QB gets pulled faster then a white QB it would be correct statement.
Try and remove emotion and take a look Sanchez 5 picks in 1 game not pulled, Flacco 4 picks 1 game not pulled, Carson Palmer 4 picks, Jake Delhomme, Romo 4-5? etc need i continue?

McNabb was pulled after 2 pick 2 years ago for Kolb who came in and threw 2 picks 1 a pick 6.
Campbell has gotten the quick hook twice both times on bad teams with coaches that were under the gun.
Tarvaris Jackson had the rug yanked out from under him by another insecure coach and came back at the end of the year to bail that sorry coach's team out and send them to the playoffs 2 years ago.
Vince Young who basically saved the Titans season last year and has made several late game comebacks yanked.

We can all be objective and make an observation.
It doesn't mean that there's neccesarily a cause and effect relationship.
You can make the observation and leave it at that.
If find it strange that someone would make a comment and meet that kind of negative reaction.
The reaction to the statement is actually part of the problem if people create an uncomfortable environement for an opinion then people are less likely to state that opinion.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by 30gut

wait a second.
a coach has his team in the wrong formation and its the QB's fault?
So every time a team has an illegal formation its the QBs fault?
By that token there are a lot of QBs that make that same mistake every Sunday.
Didn't we have an illegal formation in week 1?
Should McNabb get bashed?

Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights

If i said that historically a black QB gets pulled faster then a white QB it would be correct statement.
Try and remove emotion and take a look Sanchez 5 picks in 1 game not pulled, Flacco 4 picks 1 game not pulled, Carson Palmer 4 picks, Jake Delhomme, Romo 4-5? etc need i continue?

McNabb was pulled after 2 pick 2 years ago for Kolb who came in and threw 2 picks 1 a pick 6.
Campbell has gotten the quick hook twice both times on bad teams with coaches that were under the gun.
Tarvaris Jackson had the rug yanked out from under him by another insecure coach and came back at the end of the year to bail that sorry coach's team out and send them to the playoffs 2 years ago.
Vince Young who basically saved the Titans season last year and has made several late game comebacks yanked.

We can all be objective and make an observation.
It doesn't mean that there's neccesarily a cause and effect relationship.
You can make the observation and leave it at that.
If find it strange that someone would make a comment and meet that kind of negative reaction.
The reaction to the statement is actually part of the problem if people create an uncomfortable environement for an opinion then people are less likely to state that opinion.

Really 30gut ? Really ? How many times have coaches or fellow players taken the blame for Jason ****ing up ? A lot, believe that. Slim if he sees it he can CALL AN AUDIBLE !!!!!

I'm black, I've been profiled, felt the sting of racism and all that you can't pull that the man is holding the brotha down bullshit. Not in this instance. He's just sorry IMO. Take that play away, and I'm pretty sure they would've lost that game had he stayed under center. Cable knew it, the team knew it. THAT is why you will see Jason on the bench, or standing there holding a clipboard. NOT because he's black, African American, Zulu, Wachutu, or just a guy from the south. Make Campbell a white guy and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't get so much sympathy. I'm just saying. This shouldn't be a race issue, it's a skill issue. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't drafted there so there is no loyalty and very little patience. He just lacks the skills to be an above average QB, if your team isn't full of Pro Bowlers that are the best at their position and can win on their own, they just need a guy to say "Hike" then he's not your guy.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Really 30gut ? Really ? How many times have coaches or fellow players taken the blame for Jason ****ing up ? A lot, believe that. Slim if he sees it he can CALL AN AUDIBLE !!!!!

I'm black, I've been profiled, felt the sting of racism and all that you can't pull that the man is holding the brotha down bullshit. Not in this instance. He's just sorry IMO. Take that play away, and I'm pretty sure they would've lost that game had he stayed under center. Cable knew it, the team knew it. THAT is why you will see Jason on the bench, or standing there holding a clipboard. NOT because he's black, African American, Zulu, Wachutu, or just a guy from the south. Make Campbell a white guy and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't get so much sympathy. I'm just saying. This shouldn't be a race issue, it's a skill issue. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't drafted there so there is no loyalty and very little patience. He just lacks the skills to be an above average QB, if your team isn't full of Pro Bowlers that are the best at their position and can win on their own, they just need a guy to say "Hike" then he's not your guy.

Did you even read my post?

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Sanchez is Hispanic. A very fine one though. That said, Rex's dad really didn't give a crap about race, and it's likely Buddy passed it down...

Yes, Sanchez is hispanic thank you for the correction.
LoL, and um i guess he's fine? I guess he's a decent looking guy?
Look it, i'm not saying its outwardly about race.
But just take an honest look at the trends......it could simply be an abberation but it would appear that blacks have a shorter leash then non-black.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Did you even read my post?

Yeah and I also noticed how you pasted the article right after you said what you said. But let's get to your point. It wasn't an illegal formation just the wrong formation. QB's that know their playbook can make adjustments at the line. OR if you know what formation you are supposed to be in, you can call a timeout. Sort of like if you see that a blitz is coming you can change the protection, which is something else that he doesn't like to do.

You're right that many QB's make the mistakes that Jason makes, but the good ones have more positives. And until he finds a way to have more of those, then he'll ride the pine.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

You're right that many QB's make the mistakes that Jason makes, but the good ones have more positives. And until he finds a way to have more of those, then he'll ride the pine.

Many QBs make the same mistakes that Campbell makes except that Campbell becamee the scapegoat for all the deficiencies of our bad Redskins team and now people seem predisposed towards bashing him.
Is JC a great QB? Nope.
But the fact remain JC is what he's is and unless you're one of those peoples that disregards stats JC was the 15th rated QB in the NFL under quite possibly the worst set of circumstances a QB can have. (As opposed to Palmer who was the 16th rated QB and put up identical numbers despite have every benefit that Campbell lacked.)

Now i don't know about you but if you traded for a QB would you put him in a situation that would help him win?
Does pulling him after a game and a half then changing the playcalling style to make the 2nd more comfortable strike you as the way to go about it?
The 2nd QB who had the benefit of better pass protection?


Q: Bruce was not sacked in the second half. Was that a function of offensive line play, mobility or both?
Cable: I think a little bit of both, but I thought we cleaned up some things. He got flushed twice, but I thought we cleaned up some things in terms of blitzes.
We talked all week, the quarterback would have to handle that overload pressure sometimes and either get it out of his hand or get himself in a better play, better protection, and I felt that other than the one free hitter on Jason early in the game, we just missed an assignment there, but really, Veldheer got beat the one time, other than it was kind of normal play back and forth. But I do think we adjusted well and I think we handled the pressures better.

Q: It appeared Jason had deeper routes and Bruce had shorter routes . . .
(30gut-deeper rights although the pass protection wasn't great does that sound good to you?)

Cable: Early, that’s true because we wanted to get him started right but we were still throwing the deep balls and the go-routes, the big daggers and those things, so it probably went back to more the same.

But early, yeah, we wanted to get him in there and get him started and let him make some quick plays and see if he could get everyone’s confidence going.
(30gut-Why not do this same thing for Campbell^^ to start the game? But there's more.....)
Q: How much does who is at quarterback influence the play-calling?

Cable: Well, for us, I don’t think it matters for either guy. I think it’s just the situation of bringing a guy off the bench at halftime and you want to get him something quick and easy and get him started.
But you do that periodically throughout the game and I think every team, when you kind of feel a lull, you might get some quick balls or maybe some no-huddle, trying to change momentum a little bit. So I just think it’s a product of that more than anything.
(30gut-Again why not do that with Campbell?)

JC is in a tough spot in Oakland and its gonna take a lot to make it work.
He's seemingly caught in a power struggle between the HC and owner.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

wait a second.
a coach has his team in the wrong formation and its the QB's fault?
So every time a team has an illegal formation its the QBs fault?
By that token there are a lot of QBs that make that same mistake every Sunday.
Didn't we have an illegal formation in week 1?
Should McNabb get bashed?

Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights

If i said that historically a black QB gets pulled faster then a white QB it would be correct statement.
Try and remove emotion and take a look Sanchez 5 picks in 1 game not pulled, Flacco 4 picks 1 game not pulled, Carson Palmer 4 picks, Jake Delhomme, Romo 4-5? etc need i continue?

McNabb was pulled after 2 pick 2 years ago for Kolb who came in and threw 2 picks 1 a pick 6.
Campbell has gotten the quick hook twice both times on bad teams with coaches that were under the gun.
Tarvaris Jackson had the rug yanked out from under him by another insecure coach and came back at the end of the year to bail that sorry coach's team out and send them to the playoffs 2 years ago.
Vince Young who basically saved the Titans season last year and has made several late game comebacks yanked.

We can all be objective and make an observation.
It doesn't mean that there's neccesarily a cause and effect relationship.
You can make the observation and leave it at that.
If find it strange that someone would make a comment and meet that kind of negative reaction.
The reaction to the statement is actually part of the problem if people create an uncomfortable environement for an opinion then people are less likely to state that opinion.

Sanchez is Hispanic. A very fine one though. That said, Rex's dad really didn't give a crap about race, and it's likely Buddy passed it down...

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Sanchez is Hispanic. A very fine one though. That said, Rex's dad really didn't give a crap about race, and it's likely Buddy passed it down...

Buddy Ryan was known to have racist tendencies. Just ask David Duerson. However, i think that was a reflection of that time in the NFL, and not so much Buddy Ryan the person.