Down by contact.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I doubt that, FRPLG. Even with the whistles you see guys struggling on the bottom of the pile for a ball. The refs have to come peel them off one at a time. When it's an obvious fumble (any time we've played Tiki Barber or Stephen Davis) then it should be returnable. I agree with Offiss when they come back and say they didn't have the correct shot to view a play, the team should NOT be charged a time out. I've seen so many bad calls unchallengable because of down by contact it made me sick!

What do you doubt? Does anyone read around here? My point is not neccesarily that the rule shouldn't be implemented but that a better fix would be to get better officals who don't suck donkey balls. Two people have now made arguments that have basically nothing to do with what I posted...jeez.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

What do you doubt? Does anyone read around here? My point is not neccesarily that the rule shouldn't be implemented but that a better fix would be to get better officals who don't suck donkey balls. Two people have now made arguments that have basically nothing to do with what I posted...jeez.

Here's the problem down by contact is not caused by an early whistle which is what you keep stating, because the ruling would be a premature whistle or stoppage of play which is not what takes place, it's the ref making a bogus judgement call essentially saying he just decieded that the play was over and not allowing a replay, circumventing instant replay, down by contact is the most ridiculous rule imaginable, reason? What player is not down by contact? So if the ball is fumbled obviously the player wasen't down by contact, the biggest problem with this is I see time and again the ball comes out, there's a mad scramble with no whistle and the ref's deciede to call the play down by contact instead of allowing the outcome to stand for no particular reason other than take a play away from someone, as daseal stated when have you ever seen the ball come out and there's no mad scramble for it regardless of the whistle? Never! And how many pile up's have you seen where the play was blown dead but the ref's still don't know who has possession because they can't see to the bottom of the pile, shouldn't the ball go back to the offense under that circumstance because posession hasen't been determined before the whistle has blown? So there is no disadvantage to either team regardless if the whistle has been blown early or not both team's are going after that ball, so if the ball comes out before the player is down then it should be reviewable, the ref's almost never blow the whistle until the player is obviously down which mean's almost all fumbles happen before the whistle blow's, so even if a whistle blow's after a fumble and before a recovery the recovery should still stand, I agree with you that the ref's are horrible but there is a reason that a 50 or 60 year old man who's eyesite and reflexes are on the decline, along with a rule that circumvent's a replay that would get the call right exist, the NFL wants it that way, remind's me of the WWF!

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by offiss

Here's the problem down by contact is not caused by an early whistle which is what you keep stating, because the ruling would be a premature whistle or stoppage of play which is not what takes place, it's the ref making a bogus judgement call essentially saying he just decieded that the play was over and not allowing a replay, circumventing instant replay, down by contact is the most ridiculous rule imaginable, reason? What player is not down by contact? So if the ball is fumbled obviously the player wasen't down by contact, the biggest problem with this is I see time and again the ball comes out, there's a mad scramble with no whistle and the ref's deciede to call the play down by contact instead of allowing the outcome to stand for no particular reason other than take a play away from someone, as daseal stated when have you ever seen the ball come out and there's no mad scramble for it regardless of the whistle? Never! And how many pile up's have you seen where the play was blown dead but the ref's still don't know who has possession because they can't see to the bottom of the pile, shouldn't the ball go back to the offense under that circumstance because posession hasen't been determined before the whistle has blown? So there is no disadvantage to either team regardless if the whistle has been blown early or not both team's are going after that ball, so if the ball comes out before the player is down then it should be reviewable, the ref's almost never blow the whistle until the player is obviously down which mean's almost all fumbles happen before the whistle blow's, so even if a whistle blow's after a fumble and before a recovery the recovery should still stand, I agree with you that the ref's are horrible but there is a reason that a 50 or 60 year old man who's eyesite and reflexes are on the decline, along with a rule that circumvent's a replay that would get the call right exist, the NFL wants it that way, remind's me of the WWF!

DAMNIT! I AM TALKING ABOUT EARLY WHISTLES! Read the damn article and read my posts. I don't give a flying f%^$ about DBC contact as YOU are talking about. I am talking about early whistles. Are you all just trying to start arguments?