Eagles v. Redskins Monday Night Football Thread

[diehard]

Shanahan and Allen both are a joke.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by warpaint

This can be the start of our playoff run 3-0 in the East. Man-O-Man. HTTR!

Ilove reading early game day posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bushead]

Originally Posted by diehard

Shanahan and Allen both are a joke.

We should fire them and start over. yea.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bushead

We should fire them and start over. yea.

Well, they've built a bad team.

I'm not advocating for the firing of either, as I don't believe that firing Shanahan after one season could possibly lead to a better coach than Shanahan, nor do a believe that one offseason is enough to evaluate Bruce Allen.

I do think Shanahan was a poor hire at this point in his career. I thought that at the time we did it, and I thought it was a disastrous decision to let him hire his son as offensive coordinator. Who thought that could possibly work? His record with defensive coaches is...not good, though I think he brought some decent coaches in with him on his staff (McCardell, Spanos).

But I also believe you shouldn't compound a bad hiring with a worse firing. I think Shanahan needs to be accountable for what has gone wrong here that he had control over (the offense), and that he should have one more year to fix it. If we struggle again next year (or 2012, whenever we play football next), I think a termination is justified.

[diehardskin2982]

We are not as good as we thought. We need to clean house on players and start the youth movement here in Washington.

[skinsguy]

I don't believe there was anybody else better for the coaching position that were interested in coaching the Redskins. By that, I would say hiring Shanahan was the best thing Snyder and Allen could have done for this team. The biggest problem is, this team somehow needs to find a way to reverse the mentality of free agency first, draft picks last. The teams needs to learn to build through the draft and look at the offensive and defensive lines FIRST! You can't build a great team without being solid in the trenches.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I don't believe there was anybody else better for the coaching position that were interested in coaching the Redskins. By that, I would say hiring Shanahan was the best thing Snyder and Allen could have done for this team. The biggest problem is, this team somehow needs to find a way to reverse the mentality of free agency first, draft picks last. The teams needs to learn to build through the draft and look at the offensive and defensive lines FIRST! You can't build a great team without being solid in the trenches.

My main concern w/the hiring of Shan was this; Denver was one of the only teams that rivaled the fa spending of the Skins when he was there. His hiring, along w/Allen, was billed as a big change, but so far we have seen more of the same. To be fair, Allen has made some good deals & has shown more fiscal discipline, which was much needed. Still, valuable draft picks have been given up.

[SolidSnake84]

With the McNabb signing, amidst other things here in Washington, it seems like the Ghost of Vinny Cerrato still haunts the halls of Fedex Field.

This team is NO DIFFERENT than least season.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

My main concern w/the hiring of Shan was this; Denver was one of the only teams that rivaled the fa spending of the Skins when he was there. His hiring, along w/Allen, was billed as a big change, but so far we have seen more of the same. To be fair, Allen has made some good deals & has shown more fiscal discipline, which was much needed. Still, valuable draft picks have been given up.

I'm afraid, however, that IF the FO is serious about making a philosophical change with the way they build teams, it is going to take several seasons to build up the amount of draft picks this team needs in order to successfully build through the draft. Each year they seem to not have enough draft picks to really build this team into a talented, young team. I think they are forever caught between having to show some progress right away (whether if that is the fault of us fans or the owner,) and trying to draft top notch players with the few picks they get each year.

Unfortunately, what usually happens is, you don't get better any sooner and you then have to wind up bringing in new replacements to replace the original stop gaps. It's a never ending viscous cycle.

[aceinthehouse]

One thing I want to say that I believe is on everyones mind,but maybe hasn't been said in depth.

I know every team is different and not every coach has an honor system or code and that's fine. But I have a real problem with the way the coaching staff and Andy handled the game last night.

If you want to play your QB all 4 qtrs with the exception of the 2 minute 4th qtr warning with a 31 pt lead or more...that's fine. I have no problem with that...But when your throwing the ball around with that kind of lead with your starting QB..I do have a problem with that.

I sure don't and wouldn't expect them to pull Vick at halftime or anything that crazy,with the way we've seen great comebacks. That's actually stupid to do in this day and age and passing league.

But they couldn't pull Vick with they had a 38 pt lead in the middle of the 3rd qtr? I think they were up 52-14 at one point in the middle of the 3rd qtr..and they were still throwing the ball around like they were losing...

I'm not condemning the Eagles for playing Vick the whole game,although I would have pulled my QB at this time. Specially with a quality backup like Kolb that they have.

But why continue throwing the ball like that...Even the redskins were running the ball with Williams a lot and he was able to score,but we weren't on-side kicking the ball or even going for 2 point conversions to try to narrow the lead.

I realize I'm whining here and part of it,is the humble pie the team had on Monday Night,but I think Andy could have handled that situation a bit better.

i have no doubt that Gibb,Zorn or Shanahan would have pulled Mcnabb with that kind of lead at least by the time the 4th qtr started.

It's a sign of respect and an unwritten code and honor,that I have lived by as a player and coach all my life.

It's too bad Andy didn't get that memo...

having said that...If we somehow get a another shot at them in Playoffs or even when we play next season. I hope Shanahan remembers this and gives them a taste of their own medicine...

But the fact is..Shanahan is old school and did get the memo and I would be surprised,if he left Mcnabb in the game with a 38 pt lead late in the 3rd qtr.

That's all I got to say about that...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

One thing I want to say that I believe is on everyones mind,but maybe hasn't been said in depth.

I know every team is different and not every coach has an honor system or code and that's fine. But I have a real problem with the way the coaching staff and Andy handled the game last night.

If you want to play your QB all 4 qtrs with the exception of the 2 minute 4th qtr warning with a 31 pt lead or more...that's fine. I have no problem with that...But when your throwing the ball around with that kind of lead with your starting QB..I do have a problem with that.

I sure don't and wouldn't expect them to pull Vick at halftime or anything that crazy,with the way we've seen great comebacks. That's actually stupid to do in this day and age and passing league.

But they couldn't pull Vick with they had a 38 pt lead in the middle of the 3rd qtr? I think they were up 52-14 at one point in the middle of the 3rd qtr..and they were still throwing the ball around like they were losing...

I'm not condemning the Eagles for playing Vick the whole game,although I would have pulled my QB at this time. Specially with a quality backup like Kolb that they have.

But why continue throwing the ball like that...Even the redskins were running the ball with Williams a lot and he was able to score,but we weren't on-side kicking the ball or even going for 2 point conversions to try to narrow the lead.

I realize I'm whining here and part of it,is the humble pie the team had on Monday Night,but I think Andy could have handled that situation a bit better.

i have no doubt that Gibb,Zorn or Shanahan would have pulled Mcnabb with that kind of lead at least by the time the 4th qtr started.

It's a sign of respect and an unwritten code and honor,that I have lived by as a player and coach all my life.

It's too bad Andy didn't get that memo...

having said that...If we somehow get a another shot at them in Playoffs or even when we play next season. I hope Shanahan remembers this and gives them a taste of their own medicine...

But the fact is..Shanahan is old school and did get the memo and I would be surprised,if he left Mcnabb in the game with a 38 pt lead late in the 3rd qtr.

That's all I got to say about that...

Want cheese with that, ace?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

One thing I want to say that I believe is on everyones mind,but maybe hasn't been said in depth.

I know every team is different and not every coach has an honor system or code and that's fine. But I have a real problem with the way the coaching staff and Andy handled the game last night.

If you want to play your QB all 4 qtrs with the exception of the 2 minute 4th qtr warning with a 31 pt lead or more...that's fine. I have no problem with that...But when your throwing the ball around with that kind of lead with your starting QB..I do have a problem with that.

I sure don't and wouldn't expect them to pull Vick at halftime or anything that crazy,with the way we've seen great comebacks. That's actually stupid to do in this day and age and passing league.

But they couldn't pull Vick with they had a 38 pt lead in the middle of the 3rd qtr? I think they were up 52-14 at one point in the middle of the 3rd qtr..and they were still throwing the ball around like they were losing...

I'm not condemning the Eagles for playing Vick the whole game,although I would have pulled my QB at this time. Specially with a quality backup like Kolb that they have.

But why continue throwing the ball like that...Even the redskins were running the ball with Williams a lot and he was able to score,but we weren't on-side kicking the ball or even going for 2 point conversions to try to narrow the lead.

I realize I'm whining here and part of it,is the humble pie the team had on Monday Night,but I think Andy could have handled that situation a bit better.

i have no doubt that Gibb,Zorn or Shanahan would have pulled Mcnabb with that kind of lead at least by the time the 4th qtr started.

It's a sign of respect and an unwritten code and honor,that I have lived by as a player and coach all my life.

It's too bad Andy didn't get that memo...

having said that...If we somehow get a another shot at them in Playoffs or even when we play next season. I hope Shanahan remembers this and gives them a taste of their own medicine...

But the fact is..Shanahan is old school and did get the memo and I would be surprised,if he left Mcnabb in the game with a 38 pt lead late in the 3rd qtr.

That's all I got to say about that...

We sucked they should have run it up even more, by leaving Vick in at least Andy showed some respect that we may be able to come back on them.

[Hog1]

Perhaps under the circumstances we could petition Roger Goodell for a.......provisional bye week?
I think our guys may have been confused and were not clear they would have to "play" a game last night?

[Dread-Skin]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

One thing I want to say that I believe is on everyones mind,but maybe hasn't been said in depth.

I know every team is different and not every coach has an honor system or code and that's fine. But I have a real problem with the way the coaching staff and Andy handled the game last night.

If you want to play your QB all 4 qtrs with the exception of the 2 minute 4th qtr warning with a 31 pt lead or more...that's fine. I have no problem with that...But when your throwing the ball around with that kind of lead with your starting QB..I do have a problem with that.

I sure don't and wouldn't expect them to pull Vick at halftime or anything that crazy,with the way we've seen great comebacks. That's actually stupid to do in this day and age and passing league.

But they couldn't pull Vick with they had a 38 pt lead in the middle of the 3rd qtr? I think they were up 52-14 at one point in the middle of the 3rd qtr..and they were still throwing the ball around like they were losing...

I'm not condemning the Eagles for playing Vick the whole game,although I would have pulled my QB at this time. Specially with a quality backup like Kolb that they have.

But why continue throwing the ball like that...Even the redskins were running the ball with Williams a lot and he was able to score,but we weren't on-side kicking the ball or even going for 2 point conversions to try to narrow the lead.

I realize I'm whining here and part of it,is the humble pie the team had on Monday Night,but I think Andy could have handled that situation a bit better.

i have no doubt that Gibb,Zorn or Shanahan would have pulled Mcnabb with that kind of lead at least by the time the 4th qtr started.

It's a sign of respect and an unwritten code and honor,that I have lived by as a player and coach all my life.

It's too bad Andy didn't get that memo...

having said that...If we somehow get a another shot at them in Playoffs or even when we play next season. I hope Shanahan remembers this and gives them a taste of their own medicine...

But the fact is..Shanahan is old school and did get the memo and I would be surprised,if he left Mcnabb in the game with a 38 pt lead late in the 3rd qtr.

That's all I got to say about that...

This is where I totally disagree. This is not a gentlemans sport. There is no such honor to be had. If the Skins continue to come out and try to do anything other simply run the clock than you can make your assesments. This is a brutal sport with job security, incentive contracts, new contract hopefulls, the love of women, and the fun of beating another team down. Great, you send the message that you dont kick another team while their down in the fetal position but you also send a message to the world you are to be feared and as long as no starters get hurt your simply just doing your job.

Dont look to blame the Eagles or Reid. Im blaming Jim Haslett and a freak Hookie of nature that is back and better than before.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

One thing I want to say that I believe is on everyones mind,but maybe hasn't been said in depth.

I know every team is different and not every coach has an honor system or code and that's fine. But I have a real problem with the way the coaching staff and Andy handled the game last night.

If you want to play your QB all 4 qtrs with the exception of the 2 minute 4th qtr warning with a 31 pt lead or more...that's fine. I have no problem with that...But when your throwing the ball around with that kind of lead with your starting QB..I do have a problem with that.

I sure don't and wouldn't expect them to pull Vick at halftime or anything that crazy,with the way we've seen great comebacks. That's actually stupid to do in this day and age and passing league.

But they couldn't pull Vick with they had a 38 pt lead in the middle of the 3rd qtr? I think they were up 52-14 at one point in the middle of the 3rd qtr..and they were still throwing the ball around like they were losing...

I'm not condemning the Eagles for playing Vick the whole game,although I would have pulled my QB at this time. Specially with a quality backup like Kolb that they have.

But why continue throwing the ball like that...Even the redskins were running the ball with Williams a lot and he was able to score,but we weren't on-side kicking the ball or even going for 2 point conversions to try to narrow the lead.

I realize I'm whining here and part of it,is the humble pie the team had on Monday Night,but I think Andy could have handled that situation a bit better.

i have no doubt that Gibb,Zorn or Shanahan would have pulled Mcnabb with that kind of lead at least by the time the 4th qtr started.

It's a sign of respect and an unwritten code and honor,that I have lived by as a player and coach all my life.

It's too bad Andy didn't get that memo...

having said that...If we somehow get a another shot at them in Playoffs or even when we play next season. I hope Shanahan remembers this and gives them a taste of their own medicine...

But the fact is..Shanahan is old school and did get the memo and I would be surprised,if he left Mcnabb in the game with a 38 pt lead late in the 3rd qtr.

That's all I got to say about that...

Somewhere down the line, I hope the Redskins have the opportunity to run the score up just like Reid's Eagles did against us. While it is humiliating to be on the receiving end of a butt kicking, I don't blame Andy Reid for continuing to bury our team for all four quarters. I would have done the very same thing. It's not about honor, it's about being the best team out there. The Eagles look like they are a Super Bowl caliber team. They're sending a message to the league. But just look on the bright side. The 'skins will get their revenge down the road sometime, hopefully when this team has improved.