Report: Grossman Starting on Sunday

[MTK]

A lot of these guys won't be back anyway, and deep down they have to know that DM basically played his way out of the job.

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

A lot of these guys won't be back anyway, and deep down they have to know that DM basically played his way out of the job.

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.

Matty , do you really believe that?Look I dislike the guy but he had no run game his recivers were dropping balls left and right and the O line was non exsistant, add in injuries from getting nailed in the pocket 20 times a game and I would admit not a great season but I can't see saying he played his way out of the job.

Mike Wilbon on PTI was going off about this ...he thinks "Kyle needs to go ...maybe even both of them".

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Matty , do you really believe that?Look I dislike the guy but he had no run game his recivers were dropping balls left and right and the O line was non exsistant, add in injuries from getting nailed in the pocket 20 times a game and I would admit not a great season but I can't see saying he played his way out of the job.

Mike Wilbon on PTI was going off about this ...he thinks "Kyle needs to go ...maybe even both of them".

He hasn't played well and has been very inconsistent. Not all his fault but still, a lot of it is. He's been horrible on 3rd downs and has thrown too many head scratching INTs.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.

....not after this move.

[skinsfaninok]

@giantone: wilbon is just saying this because Mcnabb is from Chicago and that's his boy. I've always been a Mcnabb fan but in all fairness he hasn't played that good this season, in fact JC had better numbers last year than 5 does this yr. Either way you look at it, MS thought Mcnabb would be a great fit for 2-3 years and it's not going to happen. Might as well get it over with now, keep him healthy and trade him to Arz for steve breaston, that's what I would do.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

@giantone: wilbon is just saying this because Mcnabb is from Chicago and that's his boy. I've always been a Mcnabb fan but in all fairness he hasn't played that good this season, in fact JC had better numbers last year than 5 does this yr. Either way you look at it, MS thought Mcnabb would be a great fit for 2-3 years and it's not going to happen. Might as well get it over with now, keep him healthy and trade him to Arz for steve breaston, that's what I would do.

JC's numbers were inflated thanks his Captain Checkdown status. His inability to convert in the red zone has been a killer not all to different from McNabb's inability to convert countless short field opportunities provided by the defense and kick return units.

If I remember correctly we now have 10 of 11 games were the offense has been able to score more then 20 points, though Gano is kind of at fault for the inability to meet the 20 point threshold against Tampa.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

JC's numbers were inflated thanks his Captain Checkdown status. His inability to convert in the red zone has been a killer not all to different from McNabb's inability to convert countless short field opportunities provided by the defense and kick return units.

If I remember correctly we now have 10 of 11 games were the offense has been able to score more then 20 points, though Gano is kind of at fault for the inability to meet the 20 point threshold against Tampa.

How does checking down inflate numbers? Completion percentage, perhaps, but if it's actually inflating TDs and yards while lowering INTs, that's called "offense."

Completion percentage without yards or TDs is meaningless, for sure, but if the defense is actually sitting on check downs, it's hella hard to complete those short passes.

I'd actually argue that McNabb has layed out more backs and receivers on ill-advised dumpoffs this year than Campbell ever did. That's the issue with checking down (when it gets your receivers killed), not when you get 7 yards on 2nd and 12.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

How does checking down inflate numbers? Completion percentage, perhaps, but if it's actually inflating TDs and yards while lowering INTs, that's called "offense."

Completion percentage without yards or TDs is meaningless, for sure, but if the defense is actually sitting on check downs, it's hella hard to complete those short passes.

I'd actually argue that McNabb has layed out more backs and receivers on ill-advised dumpoffs this year than Campbell ever did. That's the issue with checking down (when it gets your receivers killed), not when you get 7 yards on 2nd and 12.

I'd like to call on a witness that can better explain how completion percentage inflates a QB's passer rating.

NFL Passer Ratings and Completion Percentages: What Do They Really Mean? | Bleacher Report (Yes I know it's bleacher report).

Fatal Flaw- Completion Percentage

In addition to being now coined a QUARTERBACK rating without evaluating all the ways a quarterback can affect the game even from a tangible standpoint, let alone intangible, the biggest flaw perhaps of the passer rating system is how heavily it is attached to Completion Percentage.

Which is kind of amusing when someone points to a quarterback who doesn't have a great passer rating and cites completion percentage as corroborative evidence of the lack of effectiveness of that particular QB, when those two statistics could not be any more correlated.

There is a reason why a guy like Chad Pennington who ranks so high on the all-time list of completion percentage is also high on the list of passer rating. It's many of the same names at the top of both lists. Same for a Daunte Culpepper. Completion percentage is a misleading statistic that does not take into account routine spectacular catches/routine drops, dump off passes/throw aways, or first down scrambles. It also can be heavily skewed when the total number of pass attempts per game is not high. One to two incomplete passes a game could make all the difference between what's considered respectable and poor.

Completion Percentage In Passer Rating Formula

Completion percentage plays perhaps the biggest factor in the entire passer rating formula to the point where someone who has a not so great touchdown to interception ratio can rank near the all-time greats while someone such as McNabb who has the second best TD/INT ratio of all-time is not even in the top 15 in that category that only uses those four statistics. This is again why on the all-time passer rating list has those names that clearly don't belong above current/future HOFers.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I'd like to call on a witness that can better explain how completion percentage inflates a QB's passer rating.

NFL Passer Ratings and Completion Percentages: What Do They Really Mean? | Bleacher Report (Yes I know it's bleacher report).

Does anyone still give a crap about passer rating? It's a monstrosity of a stat, and that comes from me.

I don't think passer rating = all numbers. If all numbers are trending upward, then the offense is improving, nothing is being inflated.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

A lot of these guys won't be back anyway, and deep down they have to know that DM basically played his way out of the job.

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.

I have to agree with this. DM did not to him self any favors he missed Cooley on that easy TD. Throwing in the dirt and their seems to be no since of urgency.

Even though I have not agreed with Shanny on his handling of some things he made a lot of since in his press confrence today. I rather us be focusing forward and getting the evaluations started now.

On Shanny losing the looker room that will blow over as long as he really is be honest to them behind close doors. They will always respect him.