Report: Grossman Starting on Sunday

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Just read thru this entire thread... WOW!

Let me pose a few questions here:


1. After reading hundreds of posts here, I doubt that the name Bruce Allen was mentioned a dozen times. If he is the General Manager - - the guy so many folks around here were so happy to see come on board - - and an actual participant in personnel decisions, why hasn't anyone mentioned his name? Might it be that he is no more an actual GM than Francis the Talking Mule? If he really is a General Manager and a "player" in team decisions, then what are his thoughts and what was his role in the handling of the Haynesworth debacle and now the McNabb controversy?

My take: Bruce Allen's biggest responsibility is making sure the Gatorade jugs are full on game day...

2. In his tenure as the MOFO in Washington, Mike Shanahan has had three "sticky" personnel situations to handle. Which one did he handle with the greatest "aplomb"

A. Joey Galloway - - took almost 3 mos to realize he can't play anymore and to screw up the courage to jettison him. :confused-

B. Albert Haynesworth - -that was a goat rope from the first time the two of them sat down together.

C. Donovan McNabb - - twice actually, the Detroit benching and the current benching that have been handled so constructively.

3. If you were the GM - - a real GM not a pretend GM - - for another NFL team and you wanted McNabb for your team next year, would the events of this week make you want to hurry up and make a pre-emptively high offer to trade for him - - or make you want to low-ball the Skins because you know the probablyity that McNabb is coming back next year is really low?


4. Who brings more in trade value now - - Hayneswworth or McNabb? Would either one bring anything more than a conditional 5th round pick?


5. If Rex lights it up this week and leads the Skins to a last minute win over the Cowboys by a score of 42-37 by throwing his fifth TD pass of the day in the final seconds, the Shanahans might think he is worth starting next year. Therefore, if the Redskins start Rex Grossman for 14 games next season (don't know if there will be 16 games or 18 games), what is the over/under on victories? My O/U would be 5.5.


6. Shanahan said that making McNabb the #3 QB starting with the Jax game was because he wanted to see how John Beck handled himself as the #2 QB. On the assumption that the #1 QB is not carried off the field on a gurney, exactly what does the #2 QB do that the #3 QB does not do? Does the #2 QB wear a baseball cap and the #3 QB wears only a visor? :confused:


7. And the biggest question of all:


R You In?

Number 2 qb prepares more for the game then the number 3 qb. MS is saying he does not need to see anything else from NcNabb which could mean he is thinking about his back up or he is looking to see if we have ayone who could be our #1 qb next year. I think thats the question no one knows the answer to.

[Defensewins]

This team was a loser before way McNabb got here. But McNabb is being made to be the fall guy by the press that does not understand football and some of the short sighted fans. That is the big story.
Shanahan and his incredibly poor communications and leadership skills is letting some of the players take the fall uncontested. The stink is not sticking to him yet so he will keep his mouth shut.
According to the pro-Shanahan posts on this thread it is everyone fault but the Shanahan's. To say we do not have enough talent is a cop out. Teams like Cleveland that had less talent than us when this season started are now showing signs of improvement as the season goes on. That is what great coaches do is coach up their struggling or less talented players and help them improve, not bench them and treat them like they do not belong. Shanahan does not inspire his players.
What alarms me the most and it is getting louder and louder, is all along the way since Shanahan has arrived he continues to show poor leadership skills and make bad decisions.

[skinsfaninok]

^ so are you saying fire MS and start over again?? That's what it sounds like to me

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

^ so are you saying fire MS and start over again?? That's what it sounds like to me

Do you always put words into other peoples mouth?
Get your hearing checked.
I have never said that.
I am just saying it has been a roast Haynesworth, Mcnabb and the players, but handle wonderful great coach differently.
What established FA veteran is going to want to come here next year with the way Shanahan has Thrown MCNABB UNDER THE BUS!

[skinsfaninok]

^ lol not trying to put words in anybodys mouth man, and yes I disagree with how Mcnabb was treated this season, Shanny though he was the next John elway and it's just not the case. I don't think he's trying to blame 5 for this whole season but honestly Mcnabb hasn't played well and if he was JC we would have been calling for grossman weeks ago

[Defensewins]

^My point was....In the NFL, after a season of major underachievement there is always a fall guy, an offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator gets fired so there is an appearance of positive change. Since the Offensive Coordinator is the Dictator's son, could McNabb be set up as the fall guy? Maybe.
All of the leaks in the press is very unproductive and unprofessional.
Shanahan has his share of the blame for the dysfunction on his team and it is growing daily.

[skinsfaninok]

^ ok I see eat your saying, last year the fall guy was zorn and JC and yes this yr it will be Mcnabb and AH, unfortunately when you are a losing franchise every season this happens. It's getting pretty normal for us redskins fans IMO

[sportscurmudgeon]

I have always been in the camp that says it is the lack of sufficient talent on the 2010 Redskins that has produced the "no playoffs status" this year. Coaches are not magicians; they are not miracle-workers.

Coaches - - particularly the good ones - - can look at their preferred "systems" and "schemes" when those systems/schemes are not working and make adaptations that better fit the talent shortage they are working with.

It is that kind of adaptation that I have not seen a whole lot of this year. And one thing that concerns me is the "my way or the highway" approach that seems to have taken root at Redskins Park. Yes, the coach has to be in charge and yes he has to be the leader. But there are leadership styles that include other forms of communication than "Do it, dammit!"

I do NOT want to see Mike Shanahan fired nor do I want to see him resign from his job. I would like for him to take a bit more of the blame/responsibility for the results of the 2010 season because there are things that are his fault (particularly since the consensus here is that he is the MOFO in charge of all football matters) such as:


1. You had to see on film that the OL in 2009 stunk in spades. You made a couple of moves to improve it - - drafting Williams, changing out Dockery, acquiring J. Brown/A. Hicks. Other than Trent Williams, it ain't all that much better. That is on Shanahan.


2. You had to notice from your film study that the WR corps on the 2009 team was "deficient". You made some moves to try to improve it - - J. Galloway, R. Williams, Armstrong. Out of all that, you have a marginal #3 WR in Armstrong and not much else. That is on Shanahan.


So, when might he admit that it was his mistakes and his misjudgments that failed to improve the team significantly in those areas. Those things were not Donovan McNabb's fault; they were not Albert Haynesworth's fault, they were not anyone's fault except for the guy who did not bring in enough raw talent to make sigmificant improvements to those units.

And if Danny Boy isn't making decisions anymore and Bruce Allen is making his contributions on the fiscal responsibility front, the number of "suspects" is narrow enough that we need not hire Sherlock Holmes to crack the case.

[THE TRUTH DETECTOR]

I was never a fan of Shanahan . In my view Shanahan only took this job to give his son a chance to be a head coach. Let's face it Kyle Shanahan's stock as a future head coach has taken a hit. Blood is thicker than water. This is all about blaming someone to protect his son. If anyone on this planet believes Rex Grossman gives any team on this planet a better chance to win you are nuts. Rex Grossman? I think the way Shanahan goes about business is disrespectful to the Redskin fanbase. We are not stupid . Maybe the only people impressed Shanny are all members of that terrible forum that is the official website of the Redskins. I love my Redskins but I want Shanny fired. I never wanted Mcnabb here. Classy dude but he is a Eagle.

[THE TRUTH DETECTOR]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

^My point was....In the NFL, after a season of major underachievement there is always a fall guy, an offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator gets fired so there is an appearance of positive change. Since the Offensive Coordinator is the Dictator's son, could McNabb be set up as the fall guy? Maybe.
All of the leaks in the press is very unproductive and unprofessional.
Shanahan has his share of the blame for the dysfunction on his team and it is growing daily.

Like I said this is all about protecting his son . I have seen better play calling in Madden 11 online

[MTK]

All Kyle needed to do was ride it out as the Texans OC with that high powered offense for a few more years and he would have wrote his own ticket to a HC job.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by THE TRUTH DETECTOR

Like I said this is all about protecting his son . I have seen better play calling in Madden 11 online

Probably me bcuz im a beast on madden..

And if u say fire mike who do u want as HC? Haven't we done this enough people????!!!

[Bushead]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I have always been in the camp that says it is the lack of sufficient talent on the 2010 Redskins that has produced the "no playoffs status" this year. Coaches are not magicians; they are not miracle-workers.

Coaches - - particularly the good ones - - can look at their preferred "systems" and "schemes" when those systems/schemes are not working and make adaptations that better fit the talent shortage they are working with.

It is that kind of adaptation that I have not seen a whole lot of this year. And one thing that concerns me is the "my way or the highway" approach that seems to have taken root at Redskins Park. Yes, the coach has to be in charge and yes he has to be the leader. But there are leadership styles that include other forms of communication than "Do it, dammit!"

I do NOT want to see Mike Shanahan fired nor do I want to see him resign from his job. I would like for him to take a bit more of the blame/responsibility for the results of the 2010 season because there are things that are his fault (particularly since the consensus here is that he is the MOFO in charge of all football matters) such as:


1. You had to see on film that the OL in 2009 stunk in spades. You made a couple of moves to improve it - - drafting Williams, changing out Dockery, acquiring J. Brown/A. Hicks. Other than Trent Williams, it ain't all that much better. That is on Shanahan.


2. You had to notice from your film study that the WR corps on the 2009 team was "deficient". You made some moves to try to improve it - - J. Galloway, R. Williams, Armstrong. Out of all that, you have a marginal #3 WR in Armstrong and not much else. That is on Shanahan.


So, when might he admit that it was his mistakes and his misjudgments that failed to improve the team significantly in those areas. Those things were not Donovan McNabb's fault; they were not Albert Haynesworth's fault, they were not anyone's fault except for the guy who did not bring in enough raw talent to make sigmificant improvements to those units.

And if Danny Boy isn't making decisions anymore and Bruce Allen is making his contributions on the fiscal responsibility front, the number of "suspects" is narrow enough that we need not hire Sherlock Holmes to crack the case.

There is no way, in one season, anyone was going to fix all the holes, including OL, RB, WR, QB (and that's offense alone!). He had to replace 4 offensive lineman. That is no easy task.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

All Kyle needed to do was ride it out as the Texans OC with that high powered offense for a few more years and he would have wrote his own ticket to a HC job.

Like Josh McDaniels did. McDaniels got fired (probably prematurely) for a number of things he did that were unprofessional and created a losing culture. I don't think Kyle Shanahan has done anything unprofessional while he's been here, and sure his offense might work, but if Gary Kubiak is available and wants to coordinate Mike Shanahan's offense and we don't go after him because the role of OC on this team is already filled by Kyle, how committed to winning is this team?

Kyle Shanahan would land on his feet and would go on to a pretty nice coaching career if he got fired, but if Mike Shanahan has the guts to tell Donovan McNabb that he's just not good enough for his offense, but doesn't have the guts to tell his son that he has someone better to run his offense...well, that's why you don't hire your offspring, at least before you're established at your current job.

[4mrusmc]

The sad thing is that this season feels so much like last year with the team seemingly self destructing. Us fans deserve so much better than what we have been getting.

It has taken me until about 3 weeks now to come to realize that this is all Dan Snyder's doing. He maybe a great buisness man in the coorperate world, but the vision and the buisness model he has for our Redskins is SHIT!

I highly encourage all of the fans that will attend the last few games at FedEx this year, to boo the piss out them every chance they get. Dan S. needs to hear the boos echo throughout the stadium. Boo so much that the talking heads on national tv make regular comments about it.

Dan S. you have made this once proud franchise your toliet, and us fans are fed the F up about it! R U in? F you Dan and EVERTHING about this sorry ass team!