2011 Senior Bowl Week

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I took note of that too... Gotta think back to Tebow last year. He looked worse than Locker, had inferior mechanics yet he did alright...

Yeah but Tebow was also the golden boy with unmatched intangibles, and something no one else can ever have.... The jump pass.

[Longtimefan]

I voted QB but, with so many areas of need, a case can be made for every position listed in the poll choices. We should take a QB only if one can be found deemed to be the longterm solution to the problem at the position. Otherwise, make an attempt to trade out and help fill the other needy areas.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

What I found interesting was when Mayock broke down Locker's footwork. His base is initially very narrow and then becomes really wide. They then said that that was like an infielder's throwing motion. He actually was a pitcher and outfielder

Perhaps some of Locker's issues are fixable.

SirClintonPortis, how are you this fine day?

Just a point I would like to make here. It's very difficult to change habits that have been formed for many years. That being said, I don't think the correct way of planting ones lower body will benefit some athletes that play a specialized position like QB.

This might be the reason Kyle Shanahan does not emphasis making corrections to what's natural to QBs, in other words, let them play with what comes natural to them. Of course, if it is a glaring problem then show the proper way to do the same task correctly.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Agreed. Ponder resembles a Pennington with legs and maybe a better deep ball.

If Ponder is in fact a Pennington clone with a stronger arm we would be smart to go after him.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by juskins

SirClintonPortis, how are you this fine day?

Just a point I would like to make here. It's very difficult to change habits that have been formed for many years. That being said, I don't think the correct way of planting ones lower body will benefit some athletes that play a specialized position like QB.

This might be the reason Kyle Shanahan does not emphasis making corrections to what's natural to QBs, in other words, let them play with what comes natural to them. Of course, if it is a glaring problem then show the proper way to do the same task correctly.

Yes, muscle memory is not easy to "re-encode" yet if applied with much effort, the "new code" will "overwrite" the "old code". I think footwork is more "coachable" than many other aspects that goes into a QB's throw since.

I don't think planting is irrelevant to QB'ing since the QB uses the whole body to throw. A slight difference body part positioning is very likely to affect how the ball is going to come out.

I don't have a horse in this race as I don't know any of the QBs well enough, but I did think what Mayock pointed was interesting.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Yes, muscle memory is not easy to "re-encode" yet if applied with much effort, the "new code" will "overwrite" the "old code". I think footwork is more "coachable" than many other aspects that goes into a QB's throw since.

I don't think planting is irrelevant to QB'ing since the QB uses the whole body to throw. A slight difference body part positioning is very likely to affect how the ball is going to come out.

I don't have a horse in this race as I don't know any of the QBs well enough, but I did think what Mayock pointed was interesting.

Your first paragraph sounds like a quote from Hal the computer in the movie, "2001, A Space Odyssey".

So, would you agree that in essence Mayock was saying that patience is a virtue when thinking of drafting Locker. I hear project in what you said Mayock mentioned when talking about Locker's delivery.

The reason I mentioned the word "project" is because throwing a pass with ill-advise lower half technique is a time learning concept than say, a shoulder throwing technique. Meaning that the upper body motion is easier to correct with practice. Which in itself is less cumbersome.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by juskins

Your first paragraph sounds like a quote from Hal the computer in the movie, "2001, A Space Odyssey".

So, would you agree that in essence Mayock was saying that patience is a virtue when thinking of drafting Locker. I hear project in what you said Mayock mentioned when talking about Locker's delivery.

The reason I mentioned the word "project" is because throwing a pass with ill-advise lower half technique is a time learning concept than say, a shoulder throwing technique. Meaning that the upper body motion is easier to correct with practice. Which in itself is less cumbersome.

If I had to go by his Senior Bowl performance, which is the only time I actually have seen him play, I would take Locker in a lower round IF I wanted to take him. Yes, Locker needs much polish indeed.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

If I had to go by his Senior Bowl performance, which is the only time I actually have seen him play, I would take Locker in a lower round IF I wanted to take him. Yes, Locker needs much polish indeed.

So realizing how the Skins are defined by schemes and positional depth, what would you do with the first round pick we have?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by juskins

So realizing how the Skins are defined by schemes and positional depth, what would you do with the first round pick we have?

The most I can say is that I would generally take BPA over need. I'm not qualified to propose anything more detailed.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

What I found interesting was when Mayock broke down Locker's footwork. His base is initially very narrow and then becomes really wide. They then said that that was like an infielder's throwing motion. He actually was a pitcher and outfielder

Perhaps some of Locker's issues are fixable.

Do you recall that clip from Bill Walsh we talked about in another thread?(i believe it was the Sam Bradford thread?)
The focus of Bill Walsh's QB instruction was from the waist down.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Do you recall that clip from Bill Walsh we talked about in another thread?(i believe it was the Sam Bradford thread?)
The focus of Bill Walsh's QB instruction was from the waist down.

My man, scribd got some of Walsh's coaching documents online. I read a good deal of that those. I know.

1985 Stanford University QB Manual - Bill Walsh- 232 pages

Found it a long time ago via Wikipedia's article on the WCO. Gooooooooooooooood stuff.

[Paintrain]

The more I watch Jake Locker, the more I see Heath Shuler.. Dude is gonna be terrible and I hope we are NOWHERE near him!

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

My man, scribd got some of Walsh's coaching documents online. I read a good deal of that those. I know.

1985 Stanford University QB Manual - Bill Walsh- 232 pages

Found it a long time ago via Wikipedia's article on the WCO. Gooooooooooooooood stuff.

Very very nice.
Vielen Dank.

I've got a book for you: Finding the Winning Edge
Its a hard book to trackdown but if you can get your hands on that book you'll love it.
Its one the best football books ever.
I'm actually not exxagerating.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

My man, scribd got some of Walsh's coaching documents online. I read a good deal of that those. I know.

1985 Stanford University QB Manual - Bill Walsh- 232 pages

Found it a long time ago via Wikipedia's article on the WCO. Gooooooooooooooood stuff.

Wow! Skimming it now.
Um wow.
I can't believe I haven't come across this document on the web before.
I coach football and i'm printing off the whole thing bro.
No joke BIGTIME Hail!

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Wow! Skimming it now.
Um wow.
I can't believe I haven't come across this document on the web before.
I coach football and i'm printing off the whole thing bro.
No joke BIGTIME Hail!

I appreciate the thanks but I don't deserve most of the credit. The props should go to the guy(s) who found and uploaded these docs and those Wikipedia users who linked it there. But hey, I'm glad I helped a fellow fan out.