Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?

[NLC1054]

The fact is, the Hall of Fame...it's a weird place. The voting is weird. Nothing about the Hall of Fame makes sense. There seems to be a lot of pettiness amongst the members of the media who vote. One guy on NFL Network's Top 10 Players Who Should be in the Hall of Fame, one guy straight up said that Kenny Stabler will NEVER get his vote to be in the Hall of Fame based solely on character.

It's very nitpicky and full of grudges and personal vendettas.

Shoud T.O be a first ballot Hall of Famer? Sure, if you look at the numbers, which is what's really supposed to matter. He's one of the best wide receivers ever from that standpoint. Character crap aside, T.O always shows up ready to play, and he always seems to make the quarterbacks who throw to him better.

Will he be? Depends on whether the press either loves his antics because they gave them material or hates him.

There's so many wide receivers that should be in the Hall though, he might not make it in just because of the log jam at the position.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

The fact is, the Hall of Fame...it's a weird place. The voting is weird. Nothing about the Hall of Fame makes sense. There seems to be a lot of pettiness amongst the members of the media who vote. One guy on NFL Network's Top 10 Players Who Should be in the Hall of Fame, one guy straight up said that Kenny Stabler will NEVER get his vote to be in the Hall of Fame based solely on character.

It's very nitpicky and full of grudges and personal vendettas.

Shoud T.O be a first ballot Hall of Famer? Sure, if you look at the numbers, which is what's really supposed to matter. He's one of the best wide receivers ever from that standpoint. Character crap aside, T.O always shows up ready to play, and he always seems to make the quarterbacks who throw to him better.

Will he be? Depends on whether the press either loves his antics because they gave them material or hates him.

There's so many wide receivers that should be in the Hall though, he might not make it in just because of the log jam at the position.

That will probably be the explanation too.

I think Cris Carter has gotten robbed, and of course we know that Monk did too. So I won't be shocked if T.O. gets the snub for a year or two.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

That will probably be the explanation too.

I think Cris Carter has gotten robbed, and of course we know that Monk did too. So I won't be shocked if T.O. gets the snub for a year or two.

They also look a lot at post season production. What has TO done there? I don't feel like digging, but he only had success early with the 49ers and then the Eagles. I remember he played injured in the Super Bowl loss. Did he get injured in the playoffs or the regular season that year?

Overall, I don't think he has a lot to stand on for the post season (again, an impression without looking it up).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

They also look a lot at post season production. What has TO done there? I don't feel like digging, but he only had success early with the 49ers and then the Eagles. I remember he played injured in the Super Bowl loss. Did he get injured in the playoffs or the regular season that year?

Overall, I don't think he has a lot to stand on for the post season (again, an impression without looking it up).

Well, for starters he had "the catch" - 49ers vs. the Pack in '98.

And in the Super Bowl against the Patriots he had 9-122 on an ankle he broke about a month before.

He had some big playoff moments.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Well, for starters he had "the catch" - 49ers vs. the Pack in '98.

And in the Super Bowl against the Patriots he had 9-122 on an ankle he broke about a month before.

He had some big playoff moments.

I don't think those 2 will get him in the HOF. I am willing to put money he won't be first ballot and am not 100% about him getting in.

Do you see Steve McNair in the HOF? He was a co-MVP one year. I would put McNair over T.O. any day.

What about Roman Gabriel? He was the NFL MVP and Comeback Player of the Year. We could go on - Randall Cunningham, Terrell Davis, Roger Craig, Phil Simms, etc, etc.

There are lots of guys that are very good. T.O. was/is a great individual player, but I don't see him contributing to a team. After all, football is a team sport.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

I don't think those 2 will get him in the HOF. I am willing to put money he won't be first ballot and am not 100% about him getting in.

Do you see Steve McNair in the HOF? He was a co-MVP one year. I would put McNair over T.O. any day.

What about Roman Gabriel? He was the NFL MVP and Comeback Player of the Year. We could go on - Randall Cunningham, Terrell Davis, Roger Craig, Phil Simms, etc, etc.

There are lots of guys that are very good. T.O. was/is a great individual player, but I don't see him contributing to a team. After all, football is a team sport.

there goes any of your cred. you would honestly put Mcnair in and not Owens?

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by dmek25

there goes any of your cred. you would honestly put Mcnair in and not Owens?

Look what McNair contributed to the TEAM. Rice was a team player, Owens plays for himself. I don't think Owens made the TEAM better - just look at Dallas with and without him.