It's Rosenhaus

[saden1]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

I hope the team respond with a new trend of telling these players: "tough noogies, baby, you're under contract." Otherwise, the floodgates have flung wide open for good.

Sort of like the Eagles? I much as I hate them I have to give props to the Eagles organization for the way they handle player and their contract demands.

[jdlea]

I'm not a big fan of player hold outs, however, I was just listening to a lot of the people he is holding out. The Roster:

T.O.
Santana Moss
Sean Taylor
Edge
Shaun Alexander
Rueben Droughns
Javon Walker
Anquan Boldin

Of them Santana Moss is awaiting a new deal. I could understand that. T.O. doesn't think that making 750k in the third year of his deal is fair...it isn't. Sean Taylor has no leg to stand on, in my book. Edge wants a long term deal or wants to be traded...that's kinda pushing it. Shaun Alexander wants the same. Rueben had one year with the Broncos, the other 4 years of his career he never even broke 100 yards. One year, from out of nowhere doesn't warrant a new deal. He's gonna make 950k this year, if he does it again, then I could understand it. Now, Javon Walker and Anquan Boldin each have a legitimate beef. Boldin has been one of the better wide outs in the league in his first two years and showed a lot of heart last year. He deserves more than 350k this season. Walker is only slated to make 550k next year, 500k this year. He went for 1400 yards last year. He deserves more, too.

Consider the fact that if Javon Walker plays like one of the best WRs in the league the next 2 season and his career is ended and he never renegotiates he'll make slightly more than 1.5 million dollars for his efforts. That's unreal. They should re-do his deal. They should tweak T.O.'s deal, not rip it up and start all over. Boldin deserves a new deal, too.

Nothing is guaranteed to the players in the NFL. It should be able to go both ways. I can see where the players are coming from on this one.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I'm not a big fan of player hold outs, however, I was just listening to a lot of the people he is holding out. The Roster:

T.O.
Santana Moss
Sean Taylor
Edge
Shaun Alexander
Rueben Droughns
Javon Walker
Anquan Boldin

Wow....now the WWE wrestlers are starting to hold out for bigger contracts...or either the guitarist of U2! What's the world coming to? j/k :smashfrea

[Hijinx]

The thing about T.O. is that he wasn't really a free agent. He had to deal with Philly becuase Baltimore had the rights to him. His agent at that time was a screw up. However he got a BIG signing bonus and it is the contract he signed.
If I was Philly I would say fine let him hold out. Let him sit for a bit losing money and not getting the attention he craves. After that if he doesn't cave in then shop him for a trade, although any smart team wouldn't want him. He causes problems wherever he goes and badmouths his teammates in the media.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Nothing is guaranteed to the players in the NFL. It should be able to go both ways. I can see where the players are coming from on this one.

There is one thing that's guaranteed to these players, and that's signing bonus. The players and their agents know that going in, and they negotiate and hold out for as much signing bonus as they can get their hands on, knowing full well that is the key to their financial security.

I'm sorry, but if you negotiated a deal a year ago, you should have negotiated for enough signing bonus to keep you happy for the duration of the contract you agreed to. Otherwise, you should've signed a shorter deal or asked for more signing bonus-- a year ago, not a year after signing the contract.

The Collective Bargaining Agreement is a double-edged sword, and both sides (the players and the owners) have their checks and balances built into the symbiotic salary cap and free agency systems. This argument that players are essentially being exploited by the owners (due to the lack of guaranteed contracts) has no basis in reality. It's a delusional fantasy fabricated by the players and their agents for their own benefit. You can't blame them-- we live in a capitalist society, and everyone's out to get the biggest piece of the pie they can get-- but that doesn't mean the owners should have to bake a new pie every time a player starts crying, "more! more!"