Surprise Switch- Grossman will Start vs Phins; Beck to the Bench

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Yes, he would have. We would not have gotten the fourth rounder we got from Oakland. Nor is his skillset adequate to take a team very far. That's why the Shanahan had to go hunt, because what he was sure to provide wasn't enough to pilot an offense.

He would have cost us the 4th rounder we got from Oakland that we haven't even used yet? If he had stayed on the team, we wouldn't have spent 2nd and 4th round picks on McNabb. We've definitely lost more than we've gained in regards to the qb situation since Shanny got here.

You say his skillset's not adequate, I say his steady yet unspectacular qb play would've been better than anything McNabb, Grossman, or Beck would've done. We haven't even had average qb play in between those 3 qb's. Campbell has shown he could've provided that, even with the constant changing of coordinators. He played in a WC under Zorn too, so it's not like he wouldn't have been familiar with the concepts.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by mooby

He would have cost us the 4th rounder we got from Oakland that we haven't even used yet? If he had stayed on the team, we wouldn't have spent 2nd and 4th round picks on McNabb. We've definitely lost more than we've gained in regards to the qb situation since Shanny got here.

You say his skillset's not adequate, I say his steady yet unspectacular qb play would've been better than anything McNabb, Grossman, or Beck would've done. We haven't even had average qb play in between those 3 qb's. Campbell has shown he could've provided that, even with the constant changing of coordinators. He played in a WC under Zorn too, so it's not like he wouldn't have been familiar with the concepts.

Well said. I would have been interested to see him in the system in year two. He might not have been the best deep ball guy, but I felt he was always accurate on short to medium stuff.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Well said. I would have been interested to see him in the system in year two. He might not have been the best deep ball guy, but I felt he was always accurate on short to medium stuff.

The guy never gave any memorable impression of being good at the quick slant, quick out, curls, or any of that. The only thing he was good at was dumping it off to Cooley.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

The guy never gave any memorable impression of being good at the quick slant, quick out, curls, or any of that. The only thing he was good at was dumping it off to Cooley.

I think a TON of that was play calling. He also was not the beneficiary of a very good offensive line either.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mooby

He would have cost us the 4th rounder we got from Oakland that we haven't even used yet? If he had stayed on the team, we wouldn't have spent 2nd and 4th round picks on McNabb. We've definitely lost more than we've gained in regards to the qb situation since Shanny got here.

You say his skillset's not adequate, I say his steady yet unspectacular qb play would've been better than anything McNabb, Grossman, or Beck would've done. We haven't even had average qb play in between those 3 qb's. Campbell has shown he could've provided that, even with the constant changing of coordinators. He played in a WC under Zorn too, so it's not like he wouldn't have been familiar with the concepts.

For the win. My thoughts exactly.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by mooby

He would have cost us the 4th rounder we got from Oakland that we haven't even used yet? If he had stayed on the team, we wouldn't have spent 2nd and 4th round picks on McNabb. We've definitely lost more than we've gained in regards to the qb situation since Shanny got here.

You say his skillset's not adequate, I say his steady yet unspectacular qb play would've been better than anything McNabb, Grossman, or Beck would've done. We haven't even had average qb play in between those 3 qb's. Campbell has shown he could've provided that, even with the constant changing of coordinators. He played in a WC under Zorn too, so it's not like he wouldn't have been familiar with the concepts.

You don't trade Campbell, you don't get that 4th rounder. He was still on the team when we got McNabb. We cut him loose after getting McNabb.

Kyle Shanahan's WCO has his its deviations from the much more "pure" WCO Holmgren passed down to Zorn.

But still not objectively good enough to make a push for a division win. Considering that New York has made him their bitch since the very beginning(well, except for one game as a rookie), he would not have been enough. In the NFL, you have to swing big in order to win big. That also means recognizing that big failiures will be part and parcel since swinging big often results in losing big.

But Campbell is most definitely inadequate. His deep balls are disgusting, they always angle out past the sidelines, making it impossible for the receiver to catch it. He also cannot back shoulder worth a damn, nor did he ever try to. And fades? Yeah, he couldn't throw that either. He is the beneficiary of one of the fastest and most athletic offenses, and a Carson Palmer who is still getting acclimated made Oakland's O actually look dangerous instead of the pretty good it was.