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[skinster]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Rebuilding the Redskins and rebuilding the Capitals is not an apples to apples comparison. Two different animals altogether

Disagree. I might be overlooking something big though (and it being a different sport isn't overlooked), what do you see that makes this apples to oranges?

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by skinster

Disagree. I might be overlooking something big though (and it being a different sport isn't overlooked), what do you see that makes this apples to oranges?

Size and rabidity of the fanbase, value of the franchise, spotlight on the sport as a whole...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinster

Disagree. I might be overlooking something big though (and it being a different sport isn't overlooked), what do you see that makes this apples to oranges?

People don't care in general about the NHL as much as the NFL. People in DC especially don't care about the Capitals as much as the Redskins. You can afford to be a bit more methodical if you're running the Capitals. But it's a point I've made that Snyder had to (and I believe has) stop acting like the fans he's been all of his life and act like an owner who basically says "F U you moronic fans. This is how things are going to be done. So you can bitch and moan all you want that our 7th round rookie OL got burned on a sack in his second career start. But I'm not going to make wholesale changes because you're so effing impatient."

The Caps made as high stakes a move as the Redskins have ever made in signing Jaromir Jagr to, I believe, the biggest contract in NHL history. And he was a colossal failure. But does anyone talk about that? No, yet even when the Redskins were making playoff runs in 05 and 07 fans couldn't let go of 5 to 10 year old FA moves.

There's also no farm system in the NFL. Redskins can't draft Kevin Barnes and let him play several games a year against other professionals in Hershey, PA for a few years before calling him up.

I know Leonsis, I like Leonsis. I think he's done a great job in turning the Caps around (though they still fail tremendously come playoff time). But I just don't think it's so simple as to say what works for the Caps works for the Redskins.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

People don't care in general about the NHL as much as the NFL. People in DC especially don't care about the Capitals as much as the Redskins. You can afford to be a bit more methodical if you're running the Capitals. But it's a point I've made that Snyder had to (and I believe has) stop acting like the fans he's been all of his life and act like an owner who basically says "F U you moronic fans. This is how things are going to be done. So you can bitch and moan all you want that our 7th round rookie OL got burned on a sack in his second career start. But I'm not going to make wholesale changes because you're so effing impatient."

Strange example, who would ever bitch about that on this forum? Absurd SS, expectations are that any skins rookie forced into the lineup must play to a probowl level.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

People don't care in general about the NHL as much as the NFL. People in DC especially don't care about the Capitals as much as the Redskins. You can afford to be a bit more methodical if you're running the Capitals. But it's a point I've made that Snyder had to (and I believe has) stop acting like the fans he's been all of his life and act like an owner who basically says "F U you moronic fans. This is how things are going to be done. So you can bitch and moan all you want that our 7th round rookie OL got burned on a sack in his second career start. But I'm not going to make wholesale changes because you're so effing impatient."

The Caps made as high stakes a move as the Redskins have ever made in signing Jaromir Jagr to, I believe, the biggest contract in NHL history. And he was a colossal failure. But does anyone talk about that? No, yet even when the Redskins were making playoff runs in 05 and 07 fans couldn't let go of 5 to 10 year old FA moves.

There's also no farm system in the NFL. Redskins can't draft Kevin Barnes and let him play several games a year against other professionals in Hershey, PA for a few years before calling him up.

I know Leonsis, I like Leonsis. I think he's done a great job in turning the Caps around (though they still fail tremendously come playoff time). But I just don't think it's so simple as to say what works for the Caps works for the Redskins.

I can see alot of what your saying, and don't necessarily agree. What I see is apples to apples is not concerned with the fans, but with building a winning team. I think leonsis thought more about that than anything, and I think the formula is the same. The draft, getting younger, and hiring the right personnel to scout and rebuild your team. I think that's how you become a good team. The more picks you have, the more chance you have at gaining quality players, the higher the picks you have, the more chance you have at getting the players you desire. I think that its basic statistics, and although there might be some differences, I think the essence of building a non-competitive hockey/football team into a competitive one is apples to apples.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinster

I can see alot of what your saying, and don't necessarily agree. What I see is apples to apples is not concerned with the fans, but with building a winning team. I think leonsis thought more about that than anything, and I think the formula is the same. The draft, getting younger, and hiring the right personnel to scout and rebuild your team. I think that's how you become a good team. The more picks you have, the more chance you have at gaining quality players, the higher the picks you have, the more chance you have at getting the players you desire. I think that its basic statistics, and although there might be some differences, I think the essence of building a non-competitive hockey/football team into a competitive one is apples to apples.

Agree with much of what you're saying. I think how you present it to the fans we agree is different. And the level of patience you can afford with players, in large part due to no farm system in the NFL, is different between the two sports. Still, as much as I like Leonsis it is funny how he made some colossal mistakes but hasn't been accounted for them. All I want for the Caps is for them to finally perform in the playoffs

[skinster]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agree with much of what you're saying. I think how you present it to the fans we agree is different. And the level of patience you can afford with players, in large part due to no farm system in the NFL, is different between the two sports. Still, as much as I like Leonsis it is funny how he made some colossal mistakes but hasn't been accounted for them. All I want for the Caps is for them to finally perform in the playoffs

sorry meant to say don't necessarily disagree. What I was saying is that presenting the rebuilding process to the fans could definitely be a hit to the moneymaking aspect of the team, but in terms of winning and turning around the franchise, I think its apples to apples in that a youth movement/building through the draft/not expecting a superbowl every eyar needs to be the priority.