What is the 2nd overall pick worth?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by celts32

Everything you say makes sense in theory but the Redskins don't really have the luxury to call someones bluff and be wrong.

Sure they can.

I mean, you're right if the lose out as a result of recklessness instead of something more organic. I don't think any player is so important you absolutely can't win without him.

I mean, Stephen Bowen probably isn't as good of a player as Cullen Jenkins, but that's a bluff the Redskins called. Now instead of paying too much for Jenkins, we're paying too much for Bowen. The need was still filled though.

If they're going to gamble on the RG3 compensation, they'll almost certainly do it with Tannehill as a fallback plan. And the Rams will be well aware of that, as they'll have far more to lose than the Redskins do.

The Redskins are probably out of chances to get it wrong, but it's not like RG3 comes with a guarantee of success. The Redskins could win on draft day and lose during the season. Or they could call a bluff, lose on draft day, and improve a lot and win during the season. The offseason championship is only loosely correlated with the NFC East championship.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Sure they can.

I mean, you're right if the lose out as a result of recklessness instead of something more organic. I don't think any player is so important you absolutely can't win without him.

I mean, Stephen Bowen probably isn't as good of a player as Cullen Jenkins, but that's a bluff the Redskins called. Now instead of paying too much for Jenkins, we're paying too much for Bowen. The need was still filled though.

If they're going to gamble on the RG3 compensation, they'll almost certainly do it with Tannehill as a fallback plan. And the Rams will be well aware of that, as they'll have far more to lose than the Redskins do.

The Redskins are probably out of chances to get it wrong, but it's not like RG3 comes with a guarantee of success. The Redskins could win on draft day and lose during the season. Or they could call a bluff, lose on draft day, and improve a lot and win during the season. The offseason championship is only loosely correlated with the NFC East championship.

Suppose the Redskins believe that RG3 has a great chance to be a franchise QB. And while they like Tannehill they think he is a notch below that and will likely never be more then a good QB. Knowing that's how all the Redskins scouts and decision makers think would you still want to proceed with your passive plan?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by celts32

Suppose the Redskins believe that RG3 has a great chance to be a franchise QB. And while they like Tannehill they think he is a notch below that and will likely never be more then a good QB. Knowing that's how all the Redskins scouts and decision makers think would you still want to proceed with your passive plan?

Nothing is passive about knowing how to gauge the market and make the best offer.

If they like Tannehill but think/know that he will never be more than a good quarterback, then they should take Cousins or Foles or whoever they believe they can do more with.

You can't force the Rams to trade the RG3 pick. You can only make best offer and put the ball in their court. The difference between your opinion and mine is that I don't think adding more picks to the optimal trade value makes a "better" offer. It makes it worse.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by celts32

they think he is a notch below that and will likely never be more then a good QB.

I can't imagine why the Redskins staff or any staff would think that way about any prospect they want to draft.
No staff drafts a player, especially a QB, with the thought that 'he'll likely never be more then a good QB'
That's media/fan think not coach think.
I'm sure coach think is more along the lines of: when I get prospect X and teach prospect X skill A, B and C he could really become enter desired outcome here: franchise QB, pro bowl player etc.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I can't imagine why the Redskins staff or any staff would think that way about any prospect they want to draft.
No staff drafts a player, especially a QB, with the thought that 'he'll likely never be more then a good QB'
That's media/fan think not coach think.
I'm sure coach think is more along the lines of: when I get prospect X and teach prospect X skill A, B and C he could really become enter desired outcome here: franchise QB, pro bowl player etc.

Why'd you pull just that part of his post?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Why'd you pull just that part of his post?

Because I don't understand that part of his supposition, I don't think teams view prospects that they actually want to draft in the manner he described there.