Coronavirus (sports edition) thread

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

What is driving me crazy is that there are teams that have 90+% vaccination rates. Why are we the only ones at the bottom????

The leaguewide vaccination rate of almost 90% (as of Friday) exceeds that of the reported United States numbers by almost 20%.

WFT (as of Friday) was right there with the national average of around 70%, and likely surpassed it on Sunday when guys like AGG decided to get the vaccine after being provided with more information about it.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/s...ning-camp.html

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

The leaguewide vaccination rate of almost 90% (as of Friday) exceeds that of the reported United States numbers by almost 20%.

WFT (as of Friday) was right there with the national average of around 70%, and likely surpassed it on Sunday when guys like AGG decided to get the vaccine after being provided with more information about it.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/s...ning-camp.html

That's good perspective. At the same time, the typical US citizen doesn't play on a football team who could have to forfeit games, causing every player to lose game checks.

If everyone in your neighborhood would lose 1/17th of their income if there was an outbreak in your neighborhood, you'd be more likely to get vaccinated too. That's why I can't understand why we're not at 90-95 percent. Hopefully getting there soon.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Fair enough then, back to the football side of it...

Teams with a higher percentage of unvaccinated players have a higher chance of forfeiting games. Nobody's going to argue with that unless they just don't understand anything about viruses or vaccines.

Bully for us. Best team we've had in years, it would be truly Redskinesque to finish 9-8 with two forfeits.

That would be pretty infuriating

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

That would be pretty infuriating

And you know you can see it coming from a mile away but you still can't get out of the middle of the road.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Fair enough then, back to the football side of it...

Teams with a higher percentage of unvaccinated players have a higher chance of forfeiting games. Nobody's going to argue with that unless they just don't understand anything about viruses or vaccines.

Bully for us. Best team we've had in years, it would be truly Redskinesque to finish 9-8 with two forfeits.

Yop, exactly my point all the way. The medical part of it I have little interest in, and I don't think it should be forced on anyone...
But as a fan of this team I wish we're not going to lose game because of a bloody shot billions of people got.

[MTK]

Worse yet, go 12-5 and win the division and get bounced early in the playoffs due to guys on the covid list.

But hey, freedom.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by MTK

Worse yet, go 12-5 and win the division and get bounced early in the playoffs due to guys on the covid list.

But hey, freedom.

Some things are more important than football.

Like...freedom.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Some things are more important than football.

Like...freedom.

And we can have them both. I don't see how taking a vaccine is giving up any sort of freedoms but whatevs.

[Monkeydad]

Not only are politics a big part of the vaccine push, so is money.


https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/31/cdc-p...id-19-vaccine/

https://nypost.com/2021/07/31/cdc-pa...Daily%20Update



So LaMar Jackson has tested positive a second time.

[punch it in]

Anybody else want to claim the vaccination is killing more people than the virus? There are plenty of badges of idiocy.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Anybody else want to claim the vaccination is killing more people than the virus? There are plenty of badges of idiocy.

I'm not buying that it is killing people. However if you felt as bad as I did you may have a different opinion.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm not buying that it is killing people. However if you felt as bad as I did you may have a different opinion.

Well if I felt as bad as you did, AND I were a complete moron, then I might think it could kill me. Otherwise, no, I couldn't have that opinion.

Like, didn't we all take biology in high school? Did we not pay attention? Or was my public education in the suburbs of PA just better than everyone else's?

I'm trying to reconcile how anybody can not understand what an immune response, how it feels, etc. I can't wrap my head around it. I was taught these things in high school. Wasn't everybody? I just don't get it.

For those who didn't pay attention, or didn't take the class, or whatever...

When you get a vaccine, any vaccine, your body responds as your t cells recognize the shot as a foreign invader. Your lymphatic system (lymph nodes) beefs up production of b cells and t cells in response to the introduction of the vaccine, because your body thinks it has an invader on its hands. That response can make you feel crappy, because it's essentially your body reacting the same way as it would towards the actual illness. It causes inflammation in the lymph nodes, you get achy, the inflammation causes headaches and other aches, etc. But you're not actually infected with the virus. Your body eventually realizes that and chills out. Hence the reason why the crappy feeling only lasts 24 hours.

Having been introduced to that foreign invader, your t cells retain a "memory" (really it's an organic chemical imprint) of what that foreign invader looks like, so that next time it sees it, it will destroy it on sight before the virus has a chance to replicate throughout your body, and you get seriously infected.

I really don't understand why that's not well understood at this point. We should be a pretty advanced society.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well if I felt as bad as you did, AND I were a complete moron, then I might think it could kill me. Otherwise, no, I couldn't have that opinion.

Like, didn't we all take biology in high school? Did we not pay attention? Or was my public education in the suburbs of PA just better than everyone else's?

I'm trying to reconcile how anybody can not understand what an immune response, how it feels, etc. I can't wrap my head around it. I was taught these things in high school. Wasn't everybody? I just don't get it.

For those who didn't pay attention, or didn't take the class, or whatever...

When you get a vaccine, any vaccine, your body responds as your t cells recognize the shot as a foreign invader. Your lymphatic system (lymph nodes) beefs up production of b cells and t cells in response to the introduction of the vaccine, because your body thinks it has an invader on its hands. That response can make you feel crappy, because it's essentially your body reacting the same way as it would towards the actual illness. It causes inflammation in the lymph nodes, you get achy, the inflammation causes headaches and other aches, etc. But you're not actually infected with the virus. Your body eventually realizes that and chills out. Hence the reason why the crappy feeling only lasts 24 hours.

Having been introduced to that foreign invader, your t cells retain a "memory" (really it's an organic chemical imprint) of what that foreign invader looks like, so that next time it sees it, it will destroy it on sight before the virus has a chance to replicate throughout your body, and you get seriously infected.

I really don't understand why that's not well understood at this point. We should be a pretty advanced society.

It is understood by me. I get how the immune system works. And as I said I do not believe getting the shot is killing people. However, I am still very apprehensive about getting it again. I had shortness of breath, a nasty cough, cold sweats and was shivering while dripping w/ sweat for 5 days. Sorry but you can throw all the biology and t cell bullshit out the window when you feel like absolute dog shit.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It is understood by me. I get how the immune system works. And as I said I do not believe getting the shot is killing people. However, I am still very apprehensive about getting it again. I had shortness of breath, a nasty cough, cold sweats and was shivering while dripping w/ sweat for 5 days. Sorry but you can throw all the biology and t cell bullshit out the window when you feel like absolute dog shit.

That's an emotional reaction. The smart thing to do is not to throw that "bullshit" out the window, it's to take the vaccine again when it's time, deal with the shitty feeling you got from it, and live comfortably ever after knowing that the real virus won't put your ass in the hospital or six feet under.

And I know you understand, I'm not speaking to you per se. I'm laying this out for some dumbass who may be reading this, with no understanding how this works.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm not buying that it is killing people. However if you felt as bad as I did you may have a different opinion.

The second dose of the vaccine kicked my ass for about a day and a half, but I was fine after that (I'm 42). However, I take this anytime over any respiratory issues that could happen because of COVID.

I'm asthmatic and and pneumonia in two separate occasions in 2019, which left me bedridden for several weeks. So I could not risk getting COVID and did everything to avoid it when it started.