Mel Kiper on Monk

BrunellMVP? · 11-02-2006, 01:09 PM

its a disgrace that he's not in...
parcells said monk would be going downhill on rollerskates when asked about the ease of monk's hall prospects.

the man retired with many many recieving records, its not his fault that the great one came and destroyed them...he is a prince and a scholar.

Hog1 · 11-02-2006, 01:14 PM

Dude is an authority! Sort of like............................Sean Salisbury.

irish · 11-02-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Martin is like the Monk of RBs. A vastly underrated guy who did his job, didn't complain, and had a long and successful career. It is a shame to hear Martin getting pub when Monk continues to get the snub.

To say Martin had a successful career is an understatement, Martin is the #4 all time leading rusher. He's a lock for the HoF.

MTK · 11-02-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

To say Martin had a successful career is an understatement, Martin is the #4 all time leading rusher. He's a lock for the HoF.

And Monk was #1 in receptions when he retired yet he's still on the outside looking in.

The Zimmermans · 11-02-2006, 01:49 PM

Why can't we hire Mel as our GM, imagine how good we could be with kiper and gibbs and saunders.

irish · 11-02-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

And Monk was #1 in receptions when he retired yet he's still on the outside looking in.

Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material. I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that CM is the #4 all-time leading rusher because I have a hard time seeing him as HoF worthy.

724Skinsfan · 11-02-2006, 02:13 PM

Wow! Way to go! I am officially a Milk Hyper supporter.

MTK · 11-02-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material. I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that CM is the #4 all-time leading rusher because I have a hard time seeing him as HoF worthy.

Monk gets the shaft on many levels. He played in a day where catching 100 balls in a season was unheard of... and he was the first to do it! With how pass happy the NFL has become, it's only made his accomplishments seem that much more insignificant which is sad.

It should be interesting to see what happens with Martin. I'm really not sure that he's a lock. There are a lot of people out there that differ on Martin and even Bettis.

If I had a vote, I'd put Martin in. To me his numbers tell the story.

#4 on the rushing list
14,101 yards
90 TDs
10 straight 1000 yard seasons
5 seasons of 1300 or better
4.0 avg
4 seasons of double digit TDs

He was consistently one of the better backs in this league for a long time.

GhettoDogAllStars · 11-02-2006, 02:31 PM

C-Mart should definitely go to the hall. But it is a popularity contest, and totally subjective -- so he may not get the credit he deserves (like many others I'm sure)

Monk was just passed by Isaac Bruce for 10th all time in receiving yards. That means that only 10 people have more career receiving yards than Monk -- in the entire history of professional football! How can you argue that a guy who is the 11th best receiver ever (based on yardage) is not good enough? You can't.

If I were Monk, and got accepted to the hall I would boycott. But, I would wait to be on stage giving my acceptance speech when I would express my feelings. It would be on camera and much more dramatic.

FRPLG · 11-02-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material. I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that CM is the #4 all-time leading rusher because I have a hard time seeing him as HoF worthy.

not HoF material? WTF? You call yourself a Skins fan?!?!

And by the way if receptions and rushing yards aren't comparable then what receiving stat is comparable?

onlydarksets · 11-02-2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

not HoF material? WTF? You call yourself a Skins fan?!?!

And by the way if receptions and rushing yards aren't comparable then what receiving stat is comparable?

I think he meant he doesn't see Martin as Hall-worthy.

BDBohnzie · 11-02-2006, 02:53 PM

ods - reread Irish's statement "Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material." He was talking of Monk...

while I disagree with his statement, he seems to share an opinion with those who do the HoF voting...

onlydarksets · 11-02-2006, 03:05 PM

My bad - I was looking at the second part about CM. I guess I found it unfathomable that a knowledgeable football fan (other thank King) would suggest Monk isn't HoF material, and I consider irish pretty knowledgeable.

That just doesn't make any sense.

The Zimmermans · 11-02-2006, 03:08 PM

Brunell HOF????

drew54 · 11-02-2006, 03:12 PM

I also think they should make Tagliabue wait 5 years.

And I agree, WHEN Monk makes it, I will be in Canton.

11-02-2006, 01:09 PM	#16
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk its a disgrace that he's not in... parcells said monk would be going downhill on rollerskates when asked about the ease of monk's hall prospects. the man retired with many many recieving records, its not his fault that the great one came and destroyed them...he is a prince and a scholar. __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

11-02-2006, 01:14 PM	#17
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk Dude is an authority! Sort of like............................Sean Salisbury. __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

11-02-2006, 01:49 PM	#20
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 41 Posts: 937	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk Why can't we hire Mel as our GM, imagine how good we could be with kiper and gibbs and saunders. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-02-2006, 02:13 PM	#22
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,508	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk Wow! Way to go! I am officially a Milk Hyper supporter. __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

11-02-2006, 02:31 PM	#24
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 43 Posts: 2,762	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk C-Mart should definitely go to the hall. But it is a popularity contest, and totally subjective -- so he may not get the credit he deserves (like many others I'm sure) Monk was just passed by Isaac Bruce for 10th all time in receiving yards. That means that only 10 people have more career receiving yards than Monk -- in the entire history of professional football! How can you argue that a guy who is the 11th best receiver ever (based on yardage) is not good enough? You can't. If I were Monk, and got accepted to the hall I would boycott. But, I would wait to be on stage giving my acceptance speech when I would express my feelings. It would be on camera and much more dramatic. __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

11-02-2006, 02:53 PM	#27
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 46 Posts: 4,628	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk ods - reread Irish's statement "Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material." He was talking of Monk... while I disagree with his statement, he seems to share an opinion with those who do the HoF voting... __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

11-02-2006, 03:05 PM	#28
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk My bad - I was looking at the second part about CM. I guess I found it unfathomable that a knowledgeable football fan (other thank King) would suggest Monk isn't HoF material, and I consider irish pretty knowledgeable. That just doesn't make any sense.

11-02-2006, 03:08 PM	#29
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 41 Posts: 937	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk Brunell HOF???? __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-02-2006, 03:12 PM	#30
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk I also think they should make Tagliabue wait 5 years. And I agree, *WHEN* Monk makes it, I will be in Canton. __________________ No pressure, no diamonds.

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