Michael peels back the curtain at Redskins Park in interview with Wise

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

If you are assuming Jason Campbell is the entire problem. I am not sure that he is. I tend to blame it on poor defense and failure to build the offensive line. But that is just me.

I believe the coach's have to work with what they have. You have an ok QB like JC then you must have a great O-line to give him time to get the ball off and you put playmakers around him at TE, RB and WR. No different then Dallas with Romo, and the Giants and Eli.

If you have a great QB then you might get away with a mediocre O-line like the Patriots and Brady.

My personall feeling is an awsome coach can taylor his scheme to fit the players talents. ....ie; Gibbs1-who went 0-5 changed a few things and went 8-8 by seasons end. Then did great things after. Our problem is the coach's weve hired have not been able to do this.....ie; Spurrier, Zorn.

Norv was not as bad as people believe. My personall feelings is he's a better OC then a HC. I think he takes on to many duties when he takes a HC job. I think Marty would have had the Skins winning had he stayed another yr, but DS was not up for the expierment and fired him.

Could, would, can DS put his personal feelings aside, move Cerrato into a more contract oriented position, Hire a "Football" GM, and bring in a HC that has proven himself atleast at the OC position? Then sit back and eat hot dogs and popcorn on Sundays and write checks during the week and smile at the SB?

I'm going to still lobby....Marty Schottenheimer for GM-I think he is a good talent evaluator, would put the players on notice, and most likely not throw away all DS's money at older or washed up players. Then bring in his son Brian Schottenheimer as HC-cause there's no doubt he would not get along with his son, and Brian has proven himself with the Jets as an OC (read the write up:Brian Schottenheimer : Offensive Coordinator : Official Jets Bio : New York Jets Team News). Defensively I don't know who I would I would put in as DC, but since GW left the system, although 4th ranked, seems to be having more and more difficulty trying to be succesfull last yr and this yr.

I have also lobbied to move to a 3-4 as it is the flavor of the time but as pointed out on Redskins Nation AH is older now and injury prone so that option may not be on the table unless we go after a nose tackle that's healthy in the draft.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

If you are assuming Jason Campbell is the entire problem. I am not sure that he is. I tend to blame it on poor defense and failure to build the offensive line. But that is just me.

No I'm actually talking about him. Not the D, not the line that was good enough for 1,400 + on teh ground, but him. The guy whose deep ball is one of the most inaccurate passes that I've seen, the guy that doesn't know his protection schemes, the guy that was not a "leader" for this team until Snyder made it known that he will be gone if he doesn't get it together. That guy. When Snyder loved him and everyone hated him. Pointed out his faults until Snyder saw him as expendable. Then everyone loved him, and felt like he could do no wrong. So look at everything else but IMO Danny was right on this. For everyone that has said that JC isn't the problem, I have yet to read/hear/see anyone mention that he deserves an extention. I doubt that I ever will.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

No I'm actually talking about him. Not the D, not the line that was good enough for 1,400 + on teh ground, but him. The guy whose deep ball is one of the most inaccurate passes that I've seen, the guy that doesn't know his protection schemes, the guy that was not a "leader" for this team until Snyder made it known that he will be gone if he doesn't get it together. That guy. When Snyder loved him and everyone hated him. Pointed out his faults until Snyder saw him as expendable. Then everyone loved him, and felt like he could do no wrong. So look at everything else but IMO Danny was right on this. For everyone that has said that JC isn't the problem, I have yet to read/hear/see anyone mention that he deserves an extention. I doubt that I ever will.

who are you talking about?......JC?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

I think the interview of Snyder's friend shed some light on what many of us speculated.

He is the GM and does make the decisions on who come sand who goes. He is clueless there is a problem, even if he recognizes our franchise is not winning. I guess I cannot really understand that. If you are not winning, why would you not ask yourself what you could do different.

See I didn't get that at all from what GM said. That's the difference that SmootSmack cites between "supporters and bashers". People who hate DS read something like that and get a totally different picture than I did.

[Coff]

Once again, the defense of Snyder begins with "but he really wants to win!!"

Is there a less relevant point?

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by Coff

Once again, the defense of Snyder begins with "but he really wants to win!!"

Is there a less relevant point?

I am sure Al Davis wants to win too.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

I am sure Al Davis wants to win too.

yeah, 'just win, baby'

[SmootSmack]

Marty was not fired because he's not likeable. And that's not what Michael said. He was fired because Snyder didn't want Schottenheimer to be both GM and coach and because certain players wanted Schottenheimer gone.

I really don't know what happened behind closed doors with Williams

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Marty was not fired because he's not likeable. And that's not what Michael said. He was fired because Snyder didn't want Schottenheimer to be both GM and coach and because certain players wanted Schottenheimer gone.

I really don't know what happened behind closed doors with Williams

Maybe so, but that's not what Michael said either.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

Maybe so, but that's not what Michael said either.

I think thats SmootSmacks point and mine. GMicheals makes it sound like Marty was let go cause no one liked him or could get along with him which is a half truth. Only some of the players could not get along with Marty....the ones who don't like hard nosed coach's. but in actuality Marty was fired cause he wanted to be GM and HC which DS was not going to let happen. Marty said then fire me. ....and he was.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think thats SmootSmacks point and mine. GMicheals makes it sound like Marty was let go cause no one liked him or could get along with him which is a half truth. Only some of the players could not get along with Marty....the ones who don't like hard nosed coach's. but in actuality Marty was fired cause he wanted to be GM and HC which DS was not going to let happen. Marty said then fire me. ....and he was.

Fair enough, but my point was simply that, regardless of the real reason why Marty was fired, the fact is that Michael's comment on the matter sure seemed to place blame on Marty's ability to play well with others.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

Fair enough, but my point was simply that, regardless of the real reason why Marty was fired, the fact is that Michael's comment on the matter sure seemed to place blame on Marty's ability to play well with others.

Well, there are players coach's...Norv, Spurrier, Zorn. and there are non players coach's...Gibbs, Marty. Some have said Zorn's replacement should be someone who could instill discipline. A disciplinarian is not a players coach and most likely would not play well with others....atleast from the players stand point.

At this point I would rather have a HC who doesn't play well with others getting the team to 14-2 seasons so we can make the playoff and have a chance at the SB vs a players coach getting us to 8-8 and another season of possibly 8-8 or worse with out a chance.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

Fair enough, but my point was simply that, regardless of the real reason why Marty was fired, the fact is that Michael's comment on the matter sure seemed to place blame on Marty's ability to play well with others.

I always liked Marty going back to his Browns days. But there are a couple of negative undeniable truths about him:

1) Doesn't win big games even when it seems his team is more talented.
2) Has had relationship problems in his career, usually w/FO staff. In fact, that's why he isn't working now. So, Michael might just be giving a pretty objective opinion of him.

That said, he made great strides here & I thought he should've been given the chance to come back. He can build a winner, even if he hasn't won the big games, his teams win consistently.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think thats SmootSmacks point and mine. GMicheals makes it sound like Marty was let go cause no one liked him or could get along with him which is a half truth. Only some of the players could not get along with Marty....the ones who don't like hard nosed coach's. but in actuality Marty was fired cause he wanted to be GM and HC which DS was not going to let happen. Marty said then fire me. ....and he was.

Wrong.

Marty already was GM and HC because that's what Dan Snyder agreed to according to the terms of the contract. Year one under Marty wasn't so great offensively, and Snyder wanted him to relinquish control of parts of the coaching staff.

It was Dan Snyder who tried to weasel out of the terms of the contract and Marty called him on it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Wrong.

Marty already was GM and HC because that's what Dan Snyder agreed to according to the terms of the contract. Year one under Marty wasn't so great offensively, and Snyder wanted him to relinquish control of parts of the coaching staff.

It was Dan Snyder who tried to weasel out of the terms of the contract and Marty called him on it.

Not entirely correct. The contract called for Marty to be both HC and GM but included an option for Snyder to go hire a General Manager. Snyder thought at the time it was too much for Schottenheimer to handle both coach and personnel duties and wanted him to focus only on coaching.