The everything Gruden thread

[MTK]

The only way I'd be in favor of a change is if Snyder hires a real GM to run the football ops. Otherwise gotta give Gruden a real shot, meaning at least another year.

[Skinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The only way I'd be in favor of a change is if Snyder hires a real GM to run the football ops. Otherwise gotta give Gruden a real shot, meaning at least another year.

But who would be a legitimate GM choice at this point?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Skinsfanatic

But who would be a legitimate GM choice at this point?

Scott Pioli and John Schneider, just to name a couple.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Scott Pioli and John Schneider, just to name a couple.

Pioli would be my choice with bruce as the team prez.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Scott Pioli and John Schneider, just to name a couple.

I thought Pioli didn't do that well in KC when he left the Patriots. Things only got better there when Reid showed up.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I thought Pioli didn't do that well in KC when he left the Patriots. Things only got better there when Reid showed up.

Reid took over a ton of talent Pioli drafted/signed. He would be huge upgrade over what we have, but we also need the coaching upgrade. It's all doable.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The only way I'd be in favor of a change is if Snyder hires a real GM to run the football ops. Otherwise gotta give Gruden a real shot, meaning at least another year.

I agree with this. We desperately need a really GM.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The only way I'd be in favor of a change is if Snyder hires a real GM to run the football ops. Otherwise gotta give Gruden a real shot, meaning at least another year.

This. Def got to get a new defensive coordinator. Rg3 is too connected to mcvay, so I think he should most likely go as well

[donofriose]

Washington will probably fire him because this organization is that idiotic. This team will take years to fix. There are plenty of coaches that walked into similar situations and sucked their first year... then turned it around.

This isn't San Fran/Detroit/Kansas City or even Cleveland who already had some talent. This team has terrible players that would be back-ups or role players on most teams. I believe Allen/Gruden are in the process of blowing it all up, similar to what Seattle did and these are just the growing pains.

[Bangee7]

Breathe in....Breathe out....

I really think Gruden is part of the solution. I'm sure he's still learning the ropes of being the Head Coach.

It's obvious the o-line needs re-vamped and the secondary needs better players.

His failing is probably not being more vocal for o-line upgrades, but can anyone imagine how much his head was spinning during the off-season just trying to watch film, evaluate players he doesn't see every day, etc.?

He deserves at least another year in my opinion before we "blow it all up" AGAIN.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

Breathe in....Breathe out....

I really think Gruden is part of the solution. I'm sure he's still learning the ropes of being the Head Coach.

It's obvious the o-line needs re-vamped and the secondary needs better players.

His failing is probably not being more vocal for o-line upgrades, but can anyone imagine how much his head was spinning during the off-season just trying to watch film, evaluate players he doesn't see every day, etc.?

He deserves at least another year in my opinion before we "blow it all up" AGAIN.

I agree that Gruden is part of the solution. However, Allen isnt, he's a big part of the problem and need to go. This team needs a real GM not a director of pants and reunions.

[NC_Skins]

Fire the coach after one year??? You want to know why the Redskins are a perpetual cluster fuck? It's because Dan Snyder is just like some of you guys. In a way, you both deserve each other.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Fire the coach after one year??? You want to know why the Redskins are a perpetual cluster fuck? It's because Dan Snyder is just like some of you guys. In a way, you both deserve each other.

You don't stick with a failing investment, you dump it and cut your losses.

We aren't going to see any return on Gruden, next season we'll be in a similar position and people such as yourself will be saying we need to give him another season.

How many seasons must we waste?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Avinash_Tyagi

You don't stick with a failing investment, you dump it and cut your losses.



We aren't going to see any return on Gruden, next season we'll be in a similar position and people such as yourself will be saying we need to give him another season.



How many seasons must we waste?

Maybe next season will be, but I dont think it is possible to adress the horrid oline, horrid db's, and a qb in one offseason.


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[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Avinash_Tyagi

You don't stick with a failing investment, you dump it and cut your losses.

We aren't going to see any return on Gruden, next season we'll be in a similar position and people such as yourself will be saying we need to give him another season.

How many seasons must we waste?

I think you have to give him another year. Like you said it is about the investment made. According to some in the local media the clubhouse is more optimistic this year than they were last year despite the same record thus far. Of course that could've changed after yesterday. I do not envy Gruden's position.