Report: Grossman Starting on Sunday

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

The Redskins have a lot of problems.
1. We have a revolving coaching door.
2. We have a terrible offensive live.
3. We have a terrible defensive scheme to match the players we currently have.
4. We have no depth at virtually all positions.
5. We have an old team. THE OLDEST TEAM. Maybe ever.
6. We have some diva head case players that cause problems.
7. We have virtually no picks in every draft because of Cerrato.
8. We had Vinny Cerrato.
9. Vinny Cerrato used to make personnel decisions.
10. Dan Snyder.

Here is how I see it. I say this all the time on here. Winning cures all ills. We have not had a winning culture in DC for a long time. We have an owner with good intensions and a terrible track record. We had Vinny making decisions with an even worse track record who left our future in shambles with aging rental veterans and no draft picks.

People are so polarizing in these posts. Its either Shanny's fault b/c of his inability to relate to players and make stupid decisions, or its the fault of players. Well, last I checked, teams are winners or losers not by one person, but by all people together. Owner, front office, coach, staff, players, everyone. We haven't had a real good track record with any of that lately.

Has Shanny made some stupid moves? Yes. Do a lot of our players suck? Yes. Do we need to rebuild and do things a different way? I think so, and I think progress is being made. My point is, Rome wasn't built in a day. This shit that we are in took a long time to cook up and its going to take a long time to get out of. Yes Shanny has made some stupid decisions but I think he has been laying it out there the way you have to in order to get something good to come out of a team.

Zornification of a team is not going to work. That has been proven. People that are saying Shanny is going to get fired, that he isn't good for the team, are stupid. No he hasn't been perfect, but its going to take many years and a hard nosed approach to getting this ship turned around and headed in the right direction. I for one have been saying for awhile we need to take the Bucs approach to blowing up this team, dropping all the dead weight veterans and infusing the team with free agent and drafted youth.

The bottom line is what we have been doing has not been working and I would be a much happier fan sitting through several years of losing football with a youthful team with upside and the possibility to get better than the old, falling apart mess we have been witnessing for so long.

I'm glad to see we do have a few intelligent and football knowledgable Redskins fans on this site. Well said and I agrre 100% with you.

[SmootSmack]

Yes McNabb has thrown for a lot of yards but when you watch the games you see that a) he left a lot of yards on the ground and b) we are so fortunate to have Armstrong's ability to adjust on deep routes

[#56fanatic]

Its hard to keep hearing all the apologists on the last few pages for what Shanny has done. McNabb is a future Hall of Fame QB. I just can't believe that the Redskins treat him this way. Shanny's reasons is for the organization to see what Rex and Beck have. He says McNabb couldn't do anything to change the way he views McNabb, well what is he going to see from Rex or Beck in 3 games that would lead him to a good decision. I just can't get over how it is a complete circus at Redskins park, EVERY damn year. How is it people just can't see that the decade of ignoring the "big fellas" upfront is what has been this organizations downfall. HOW FREAKING HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND. The constant switching and moving of offensive line, the free agent additions, only to have them move on the next year. Teams that win in this league have an offensive line of guys that build a chemistry together of several years. Are young well thought out draft picks, instead of on the fly FA pickups. Someone mentioned Phillip Rivers throwing to lesser known receivers, well guess what, this is the NFL and if a QB has more that a few seconds to hit a receiver they should be able to get open. We have no offensive line, and when McNabb has time, just like Campbell, Just like ole Lefty Brunell, when given time these QB's can find someone open. But when you consistanty have a fat ass lineman breathing down your neck or running full blast down your sights, that is a little hard to complete passes. Look, you can bring Peyton , or Brady or who ever you want, if they stand behind this cast of characters we have on the oline, use RB's for a running game we have to use, they WILL NOT be successful either. It is a proven fact. Look at the games the colts lose or the patriots loose. Watch how much middle pressure is put on Peyton, if they are getting to him, then he throws several picks and gets sacked a few times, same with Brady. The fact that these teams consistanty win is they have the big guys up front that keep the QB's uniforms clean, allowing them to make the throws and put points on the board. We haven't been able to keep a QB upright in a all most a decade. Go back to when we won the division with Norv. We had a young Samuels, a young Jansen, some decent guys upfront with Stephen Davis. Until someone in this damn organization stands up and drafts guys for the lines, we will continue to see the same results we have been for the next decade.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Its hard to keep hearing all the apologists on the last few pages for what Shanny has done. McNabb is a future Hall of Fame QB. I just can't believe that the Redskins treat him this way. Shanny's reasons is for the organization to see what Rex and Beck have. He says McNabb couldn't do anything to change the way he views McNabb, well what is he going to see from Rex or Beck in 3 games that would lead him to a good decision. I just can't get over how it is a complete circus at Redskins park, EVERY damn year. How is it people just can't see that the decade of ignoring the "big fellas" upfront is what has been this organizations downfall. HOW FREAKING HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND. The constant switching and moving of offensive line, the free agent additions, only to have them move on the next year. Teams that win in this league have an offensive line of guys that build a chemistry together of several years. Are young well thought out draft picks, instead of on the fly FA pickups. Someone mentioned Phillip Rivers throwing to lesser known receivers, well guess what, this is the NFL and if a QB has more that a few seconds to hit a receiver they should be able to get open. We have no offensive line, and when McNabb has time, just like Campbell, Just like ole Lefty Brunell, when given time these QB's can find someone open. But when you consistanty have a fat ass lineman breathing down your neck or running full blast down your sights, that is a little hard to complete passes. Look, you can bring Peyton , or Brady or who ever you want, if they stand behind this cast of characters we have on the oline, use RB's for a running game we have to use, they WILL NOT be successful either. It is a proven fact. Look at the games the colts lose or the patriots loose. Watch how much middle pressure is put on Peyton, if they are getting to him, then he throws several picks and gets sacked a few times, same with Brady. The fact that these teams consistanty win is they have the big guys up front that keep the QB's uniforms clean, allowing them to make the throws and put points on the board. We haven't been able to keep a QB upright in a all most a decade. Go back to when we won the division with Norv. We had a young Samuels, a young Jansen, some decent guys upfront with Stephen Davis. Until someone in this damn organization stands up and drafts guys for the lines, we will continue to see the same results we have been for the next decade.

How freaking hard is it to understand that Shanahan didn't have enough draft picks to fix the offensive line overnight? Shanahan spent the highest draft pick he had on the most important position on the line. He brought in a mix of veteran free agents for the rest of the positions, and shuffled guys around sometimes due to injury, other times due to poor performance to find out what works best.

Obviously the coaches saw things on film from McNabb which caused them to believe he wasn't making the right decisions despite protection from the line. And to be fair -- the protection up front has been better at times this year. It's amazing to hear so many fans so livid over the benching of a guy who hasn't played well.

And I wouldn't say McNabb is a lock for the Hall of Fame.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This team was a loser before way McNabb got here. But McNabb is being made to be the fall guy by the press that does not understand football and some of the short sighted fans. That is the big story.
Shanahan and his incredibly poor communications and leadership skills is letting some of the players take the fall uncontested. The stink is not sticking to him yet so he will keep his mouth shut.
According to the pro-Shanahan posts on this thread it is everyone fault but the Shanahan's. To say we do not have enough talent is a cop out. Teams like Cleveland that had less talent than us when this season started are now showing signs of improvement as the season goes on. That is what great coaches do is coach up their struggling or less talented players and help them improve, not bench them and treat them like they do not belong. Shanahan does not inspire his players.
What alarms me the most and it is getting louder and louder, is all along the way since Shanahan has arrived he continues to show poor leadership skills and make bad decisions.

Of course Shanahan deserves blame. After the Monday Night debacle against the Eagles, Shanahan took all of the blame. Contrary to the claims of the anti-Shanahan crowd, his supporters never implied that he's perfect and the team would be an instant success just because of his presence on the sideline.

And I don't believe it's assured that Cleveland has less talent than us. I'd say the two teams are about even.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by THE TRUTH DETECTOR

I was never a fan of Shanahan . In my view Shanahan only took this job to give his son a chance to be a head coach. Let's face it Kyle Shanahan's stock as a future head coach has taken a hit. Blood is thicker than water. This is all about blaming someone to protect his son. If anyone on this planet believes Rex Grossman gives any team on this planet a better chance to win you are nuts. Rex Grossman? I think the way Shanahan goes about business is disrespectful to the Redskin fanbase. We are not stupid . Maybe the only people impressed Shanny are all members of that terrible forum that is the official website of the Redskins. I love my Redskins but I want Shanny fired. I never wanted Mcnabb here. Classy dude but he is a Eagle.

How unbelievably absurd.

You want to bring in a new coach and start this all over again?

Remember, at the time of the hiring, Shanahan was the best option available. Gruden and Cowher didn't want the job. They're still in broadcasting, and have made no intentions clear that they even want to coach again. There isn't a head coach out there who would have turned this disaster of a franchise around in less than one year.

[Hog1]

BEEM...YOU are the man!
I thank you for accurately defending the realm against the detractors and.........stupidsayers

[Beemnseven]

Thanks Hog1. I do what I can.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by THE TRUTH DETECTOR

I was never a fan of Shanahan . In my view Shanahan only took this job to give his son a chance to be a head coach. Let's face it Kyle Shanahan's stock as a future head coach has taken a hit. Blood is thicker than water. This is all about blaming someone to protect his son. If anyone on this planet believes Rex Grossman gives any team on this planet a better chance to win you are nuts. Rex Grossman? I think the way Shanahan goes about business is disrespectful to the Redskin fanbase. We are not stupid . Maybe the only people impressed Shanny are all members of that terrible forum that is the official website of the Redskins. I love my Redskins but I want Shanny fired. I never wanted Mcnabb here. Classy dude but he is a Eagle.

How do you gather that Shanny only took this job to give his son a chance to be a head coach? To draw him from the #1 ranked offense in the league with weapons like Andre Johnson to a team with a perennially bad offense who can't move the ball well and can't get it done in the red zone? That helps your chances to be a head coach? Really? REALLY?!? I thought it was because they ARE related and wanted to work together.

The way Shanny goes about his business is NOT disrespectful to the fanbase. It is making players accountable for their actions and if they are not going to be the best player on the field, then they don't play, regardless of what their pedigree is.

YOU are stupid if you say that. YOU are the reason this fanbase has perpetually bad teams because you want a winning caliber team every year and call for the coach to be fired if you don't get it. If you thought Shanny could come in here in one year with Kyle and turn this team around into a winning team, you are nuts and you need to find a new team. No coach could do that with the mess they inherited thanks to Vinny. It is going to take several years of complete overhauling for this thing to get turned around.

Yes Shanny made some stupid PR calls, and said something things he should have gone in a different direction with instead, but with a team with this many problems and this many diva head case players I'd like to see you do it any better. No one is perfect. It blows my mind that some of you fans act like unless a coach does everything perfectly with a team with this many problems, he needs to get out. Ridiculous. Absolutely absurd.

[CrustyRedskin]

Good luck Rex your gona need some. Go skins.

[SmootSmack]

While this board is all about sharing and respectfully debating opinions, there are some members of this board whose opinion merits much less courtesy than others, particularly when they say things like this

http://www.thewarpath.net/636282-post115.html

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

While this board is all about sharing and respectfully debating opinions, there are some members of this board whose opinion merits much less courtesy than others, particularly when they say things like this

http://www.thewarpath.net/636282-post115.html

Nice. You stay classy San Diego, I mean Washington D.C. I love a good anchorman quote.

[juskins]

I can't wait to see how Rex runs this offense. Way too much negativity surrounding this decision to see what and how Grossman will do in place of McNabb. Was slightly surprise by the move but its how football coaches keep their jobs.

Go Rex!

[SOUL-SKINS]

PER ADAM S....................... Now that the Redskins are officially eliminated from playoffs, trade comp for McNabb is complete. Eagels will get Redskins 2011 4th-rd pick.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by juskins

I can't wait to see how Rex runs this offense. Way too much negativity surrounding this decision to see what and how Grossman will do in place of McNabb. Was slightly surprise by the move but its how football coaches keep their jobs.

Go Rex!

Welcome to the Warpath juskins!