Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Thank God that the Bengals can save us from ourselves.

How dopey is it to come this far with all your picks just to hand them out at the last second. So much for draft disicipline.

This annoys me and doesn't bode well for who they think is going to be available with the 21st pick in the draft. One week before the draft they want to heave their draft stratedy out the window, I'm annoyed.

Got that right!

The inability of who ever is drafting to identify unproven talent leads to over spending, and over compensating for established players, it seems we really never learn our lesson? Let's bring in a ME player, lets make him happy with a brand new contract, and by the way lets give up what could be 2 #1's in the process to a team that he has already basically pigeon holed into having to deal him! I guess we have to sign a WR every year or we can't sleep at night. To all who thought we may have turned the corner as far as our approach to building a team with the draft? Happy belated April fools.

By the way lets see how much everyone loves him here in DC when he starts running his mouth about how he's not seeing the ball? He has a top flight QB in cinnci, does anyone believe Campbell is going to make this clown happy? I don't see it. I have to say Cinnci is crazy not to make that deal, perhaps we have found a team who's personnel dept is actually dumber than ours?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Got that right!

The inability of who ever is drafting to identify unproven talent leads to over spending, and over compensating for established players, it seems we really never learn our lesson? Let's bring in a ME player, lets make him happy with a brand new contract, and by the way lets give up what could be 2 #1's in the process to a team that he has already basically pigeon holed into having to deal him! I guess we have to sign a WR every year or we can't sleep at night. To all who thought we may have turned the corner as far as our approach to building a team with the draft? Happy belated April fools.

By the way lets see how much everyone loves him here in DC when he starts running his mouth about how he's not seeing the ball? He has a top flight QB in cinnci, does anyone believe Campbell is going to make this clown happy? I don't see it. I have to say Cinnci is crazy not to make that deal, perhaps we have found a team who's personnel dept is actually dumber than ours?

1. We're talking about trading one pick this year for one of the game's most talented WRs

2. We are not throwing all our picks away

3. Why is it not even remotely considered that maybe, just maybe, Chad Johnson will help Jason Campbell get to that next level. That maybe, just maybe, a stud receiver like Chad Johnson would be the best thing to happen to Campbell?

4. Too many people have way too narrow an understanding of how to build a team

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1. We're talking about trading one pick this year for one of the game's most talented WRs

2. We are not throwing all our picks away

3. Why is it not even remotely considered that maybe, just maybe, Chad Johnson will help Jason Campbell get to that next level. That maybe, just maybe, a stud receiver like Chad Johnson would be the best thing to happen to Campbell?

4. Too many people have way too narrow an understanding of how to build a team

Thank you for bringing some sense to the board SS. Honestly this news about CJ threw the whole "knowledgeable fan" label out the window given some of the comments posted.

Honestly I laugh how the Bengals think they are going to solve their problems by keeping CJ. That team is a mess, and is funny how their fans despise one of the few guys that hasn't gotten arrested.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1. We're talking about trading one pick this year for one of the game's most talented WRs

2. We are not throwing all our picks away

3. Why is it not even remotely considered that maybe, just maybe, Chad Johnson will help Jason Campbell get to that next level. That maybe, just maybe, a stud receiver like Chad Johnson would be the best thing to happen to Campbell?

4. Too many people have way too narrow an understanding of how to build a team

To many people have watched this exact approach for way to long, and I have to ask where has it taken us?

People act as if Moss and El are average Wr's at best, they are 2 bonified game breakers who have been stuck in the mud with Gibbs conservative offensive approach.

You do understand that next year at this time we can very well be talking all about how many needs we have and no #1, when have I heard that before? Sorry I don't think WR is a big enough need comparatively to other needs to give up possibly 2 #1's, I believe some people believe you can build a team with 1 player, lets see what happens when we can't block so Chad can get the ball? Lets see what happens when we can't cover anybody and the offense doesn't see the field. This is a move to be made for a team ready to win now, that ain't us! Further more I watched old Chad drop ball after ball last season, but because of his mouth and his antics nobody has brought that up, all they see is the persona. Yes the guy is not a problem off the field [criminally], but he's a selfish idiot on the field.

Tell me how do you propose to blow up our cap space with his new contract, because we have so much cap space to throw around? You do understand that will be part of the deal don't you? More money for the legend Chad J? Right? I haven't heard him say he just wants to win, he may have said it I haven't heard all his quotes, but I did here quite a few of his rants complaining he wants more money. Just a very disrupting personality we don't need, and we sure don't need to start giving up #1's for that privilege.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

To many people have watched this exact approach for way to long, and I have to ask where has it taken us?

People act as if Moss and El are average Wr's at best, they are 2 bonified game breakers who have been stuck in the mud with Gibbs conservative offensive approach.

You do understand that next year at this time we can very well be talking all about how many needs we have and no #1, when have I heard that before? Sorry I don't think WR is a big enough need comparatively to other needs to give up possibly 2 #1's, I believe some people believe you can build a team with 1 player, lets see what happens when we can't block so Chad can get the ball? Lets see what happens when we can't cover anybody and the offense doesn't see the field. This is a move to be made for a team ready to win now, that ain't us! Further more I watched old Chad drop ball after ball last season, but because of his mouth and his antics nobody has brought that up, all they see is the persona. Yes the guy is not a problem off the field [criminally], but he's a selfish idiot on the field.

Tell me how do you propose to blow up our cap space with his new contract, because we have so much cap space to throw around? You do understand that will be part of the deal don't you? More money for the legend Chad J? Right? I haven't heard him say he just wants to win, he may have said it I haven't heard all his quotes, but I did here quite a few of his rants complaining he wants more money. Just a very disrupting personality we don't need, and we sure don't need to start giving up #1's for that privilege.

Well CJ did mention in the NFL Network that he wants the same opportunity that Randy Moss and T.O. have gotten. I mean these are both players that people considered to be case heads (but with lots of talents) and went to another team and got the opportunity to win. I mean let's be honest, the Bengals are not the best run organization and it is going to be a long time until they win in a very competitive AFC.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

To many people have watched this exact approach for way to long, and I have to ask where has it taken us?

People act as if Moss and El are average Wr's at best, they are 2 bonified game breakers who have been stuck in the mud with Gibbs conservative offensive approach.

You do understand that next year at this time we can very well be talking all about how many needs we have and no #1, when have I heard that before? Sorry I don't think WR is a big enough need comparatively to other needs to give up possibly 2 #1's, I believe some people believe you can build a team with 1 player, lets see what happens when we can't block so Chad can get the ball? Lets see what happens when we can't cover anybody and the offense doesn't see the field. This is a move to be made for a team ready to win now, that ain't us! Further more I watched old Chad drop ball after ball last season, but because of his mouth and his antics nobody has brought that up, all they see is the persona. Yes the guy is not a problem off the field [criminally], but he's a selfish idiot on the field.

Tell me how do you propose to blow up our cap space with his new contract, because we have so much cap space to throw around? You do understand that will be part of the deal don't you? More money for the legend Chad J? Right? I haven't heard him say he just wants to win, he may have said it I haven't heard all his quotes, but I did here quite a few of his rants complaining he wants more money. Just a very disrupting personality we don't need, and we sure don't need to start giving up #1's for that privilege.

I think El is very good, and seems like a genuinely good guy. But if you really think he's as good a WR as Chad Johnson then wow, just Wow!

I still have no idea why people think we can't address several of our needs while still sending a first rounder and a conditional third rounder next year for CJ

You don't think the Redskins restructured contracts and held back on signing free agents this offseason in anticipation of possibly making such a move?

[irish]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

To many people have watched this exact approach for way to long, and I have to ask where has it taken us?

People act as if Moss and El are average Wr's at best, they are 2 bonified game breakers who have been stuck in the mud with Gibbs conservative offensive approach.

You do understand that next year at this time we can very well be talking all about how many needs we have and no #1, when have I heard that before? Sorry I don't think WR is a big enough need comparatively to other needs to give up possibly 2 #1's, I believe some people believe you can build a team with 1 player, lets see what happens when we can't block so Chad can get the ball? Lets see what happens when we can't cover anybody and the offense doesn't see the field. This is a move to be made for a team ready to win now, that ain't us! Further more I watched old Chad drop ball after ball last season, but because of his mouth and his antics nobody has brought that up, all they see is the persona. Yes the guy is not a problem off the field [criminally], but he's a selfish idiot on the field.

Tell me how do you propose to blow up our cap space with his new contract, because we have so much cap space to throw around? You do understand that will be part of the deal don't you? More money for the legend Chad J? Right? I haven't heard him say he just wants to win, he may have said it I haven't heard all his quotes, but I did here quite a few of his rants complaining he wants more money. Just a very disrupting personality we don't need, and we sure don't need to start giving up #1's for that privilege.

I agree, this build from without approach has been going on in Redskin land for quite some time now and it hasnt worked. The Skins need to build a solid foundation through the draft and then when they need a player or 2 to fill a hole then get him via free agency (likw NE did with Moss) but the Skins arent there yet.

[KB24]

Here's something no one has considered. If we want to give up two draft picks so badly for an established player, why aren't we going after Kansas City DE Jared Allen? He just turned 26, led the league in sacks with 15.5 last season and would fill a bigger need immediately on the Redskins. Oh, that's right. Chad Johnson jerseys probably would sell much better than Jared Allen ones.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by KB24

Here's something no one has considered. If we want to give up two draft picks so badly for an established player, why aren't we going after Kansas City DE Jared Allen? He just turned 26, led the league in sacks with 15.5 last season and would fill a bigger need immediately on the Redskins. Oh, that's right. Chad Johnson jerseys probably would sell much better than Jared Allen ones.

Because this isn't a college spring game. This is the NFL, you beat your opponents by scoring more points than them. Sacks do not equal points, (safety excluded) touchdowns do.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Angry

Because this isn't a college spring game. This is the NFL, you beat your opponents by scoring more points than them. Sacks do not equal points, (safety excluded) touchdowns do.

But a dominant D-Line can shut down an opponent's offense so you don't have to score as many points to win. (See NYG Superbowl win)

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

But a dominant D-Line can shut down an opponent's offense so you don't have to score as many points to win. (See NYG Superbowl win)

I understand your argument, however we already have a solid Defense that has been limiting other team's offense. We need to generate more points ourselves. If we would have scored 3-7 more points a game, we may have only lost one game last season.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by KB24

Here's something no one has considered. If we want to give up two draft picks so badly for an established player, why aren't we going after Kansas City DE Jared Allen? He just turned 26, led the league in sacks with 15.5 last season and would fill a bigger need immediately on the Redskins. Oh, that's right. Chad Johnson jerseys probably would sell much better than Jared Allen ones.

Your jersey 'logic' is getting a little tired. Jared Allen is a very good player, but the Vikings are also willing to give up a 1st for him and they pick four spots ahead of us. Also, despite how much you clearly dislike Chad Johnson, he has never been suspended for multiple DUI's ... if you're so concerned with character why would you advocate picking up a guy who has no problem putting other people's lives at risk or (if you want to take a crass strictly football perspective) is one strike away from getting the Goddell smackdown?

[KB24]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Your jersey 'logic' is getting a little tired. Jared Allen is a very good player, but the Vikings are also willing to give up a 1st for him and they pick four spots ahead of us. Also, despite how much you clearly dislike Chad Johnson, he has never been suspended for multiple DUI's ... if you're so concerned with character why would you advocate picking up a guy who has no problem putting other people's lives at risk or (if you want to take a crass strictly football perspective) is one strike away from getting the Goddell smackdown?

The Vikings made it a point to do their homework and Allen has been very contrite about how he's made mistakes and is owning up to them. Chad is constantly talking about me, me, me, I want to get paid. At least Allen will fill a bigger need immediately. We're not a player away from a Super Bowl and Chad Johnson by himself isn't going to get us there.

Bottom line. With a new head coach on board, we need to build a corps of "young players" instead of trading away picks for players in their '30s who may or may not help us.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by KB24

The Vikings made it a point to do their homework and Allen has been very contrite about how he's made mistakes and is owning up to them. Chad is constantly talking about me, me, me, I want to get paid. At least Allen will fill a bigger need immediately. We're not a player away from a Super Bowl and Chad Johnson by himself isn't going to get us there.

Bottom line. With a new head coach on board, we need to build a corps of "young players" instead of trading away picks for players in their '30s who may or may not help us.

HOW is picking a DE when you already have a strong D-Line doing your homework? The Vikings have a mediocre offense, that would be right down terrible if it wasn't for Adrian Peterson. Their passing game is non-existent, they have a below average QB and no WRs whatsoever. I'm sorry but your CJ bashing is making you make no sense.

Oh and way to overlook the fact that Allen (according to what some have posted) had a DUI. So ur telling me a guy that talks wayy too much is worst than a guy that got busted for a DUI? Please.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by KB24

The Vikings made it a point to do their homework and Allen has been very contrite about how he's made mistakes and is owning up to them. Chad is constantly talking about me, me, me, I want to get paid. At least Allen will fill a bigger need immediately. We're not a player away from a Super Bowl and Chad Johnson by himself isn't going to get us there.

Bottom line. With a new head coach on board, we need to build a corps of "young players" instead of trading away picks for players in their '30s who may or may not help us.

I wonder if the Vikings checked out this website while doing their 'diligent' research. Clearly this guy won't have any problems with alcohol in the future.

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