Gray, Smith likely interim coach choices

GhettoDogAllStars · 10-12-2009, 02:27 PM

"The front office of this team, as presently constructed, will never permit the Redskins to be a truly good team for any decent period of time."

So true. So sad.

BDBohnzie · 10-13-2009, 01:09 PM

Could be as early as next Monday if the Skins decide to give another winless team their first victory of the season, but I would imagine that Zorn's done by the final whistle of the Eagles game. I'd imagine Sherman Smith would be out as well, with Sherm Lewis taking over as offensive coordinator. Gray or Smith can lead the sinking ship into the depths of the NFC East basement.

The only way the Redskins will ever completely start over is if Snyder decides to put his massively large ego aside and hire a football man to be his GM and let said GM call the shots. Until that day happens (I've yet to hear about hell freezing over or see pigs flying), it really won't matter who Snyder pays to be head coach, they will be limited by what the Front Office wants to do.

SmootSmack · 10-13-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Could be as early as next Monday if the Skins decide to give another winless team their first victory of the season, but I would imagine that Zorn's done by the final whistle of the Eagles game. I'd imagine Sherman Smith would be out as well, with Sherm Lewis taking over as offensive coordinator. Gray or Smith can lead the sinking ship into the depths of the NFC East basement.

The only way the Redskins will ever completely start over is if Snyder decides to put his massively large ego aside and hire a football man to be his GM and let said GM call the shots. Until that day happens (I've yet to hear about hell freezing over or see pigs flying), it really won't matter who Snyder pays to be head coach, they will be limited by what the Front Office wants to do.

So when you say a "football man" what exactly do you mean?

Trample the Elderly · 10-13-2009, 01:22 PM

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So when you say a "football man" what exactly do you mean?

I can't speak for him, but I was thinking someone who would draft a tackle or a guard that can start and finish a game.

celts32 · 10-13-2009, 01:53 PM

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So when you say a "football man" what exactly do you mean?

How about someone that if available at least one of the the other 31 teams would want to hire?

BDBohnzie · 10-13-2009, 03:18 PM

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So when you say a "football man" what exactly do you mean?

A football man along the lines of a Bobby Beathard, Bruce Allen, Ron Wolf, Scott Pioli. A guy who gets it. I don't completely bash Vinny Cerrato as I don't think 100% of the blame lies with him, but I think it's quite obvious that there has to be someone between the team and Snyder and Cerrato that can provide another view.

SmootSmack · 10-13-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

A football man along the lines of a Bobby Beathard, Bruce Allen, Ron Wolf, Scott Pioli. A guy who gets it. I don't completely bash Vinny Cerrato as I don't think 100% of the blame lies with him, but I think it's quite obvious that there has to be someone between the team and Snyder and Cerrato that can provide another view.

Agreed. I don't necessarily think the guys above "get it" any more than VC does. But I do agree that there has to be someone else with authority in this triumvirate. You'd think it'd be the head coach, but maybe Zorn is like Spurrier in that he just doesn't get involved in all that personnel stuff

JoeRedskin · 10-13-2009, 01:43 PM

It's not Snyder's football acumen that I detest - I am with Smoot (I think) in that I believe our talent aquisition has not been that bad with the glaring example of the OLine.

It's Snyder's favoritism and pettiness that I think muddle the pie. If I'm the new coach, I would say - "Mr. Snyder, if I find my guys hanging out with you, calling you, or in any way interacting with you in a way I have not approved, I will cut them. Then you can pal around with them all you like. I don't care if its the QB you personally recruited during the FA signing period. Consider it a 'non-fraternization policy'. You want to speak to the team on occasion - hey fine as long as it is to the ENTIRE team and not just one or two guys."

Obviously, Snyder would never go for that.

SmootSmack · 10-13-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

It's not Snyder's football acumen that I detest - I am with Smoot (I think) in that I believe our talent aquisition has not been that bad with the glaring example of the OLine.

It's Snyder's favoritism and pettiness that I think muddle the pie. If I'm the new coach, I would say - "Mr. Snyder, if I find my guys hanging out with you, calling you, or in any way interacting with you in a way I have not approved, I will cut them. Then you can pal around with them all you like. I don't care if its the QB you personally recruited during the FA signing period. Consider it a 'non-fraternization policy'. You want to speak to the team on occasion - hey fine as long as it is to the ENTIRE team and not just one or two guys."

Obviously, Snyder would never go for that.

You're with me!

The favoritism element is not exclusive to the Redskins. So I don't expect that would change.

What we really need is more restraint. I think Snyder (and I mentioned this in another thread) will do whatever it takes to get whoever he wants, Vinny wants, Zorn wants, Blache wants, Bugel wants, Gibbs wants, Saunders wants, and so on. And to an extent that's great, you want an owner who will not hesitate to get you what you need.

At the same time though, someone has to be the "dad" here and be the disciplinarian. Then maybe this time next year we wouldn't be wondering how come Campbell, Duckett, Taylor, and Lloyd aren't here anymore...and neither are a first, second, three thirds, and fourth and a sixth

JoeRedskin · 10-13-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The favoritism element is not exclusive to the Redskins. So I don't expect that would change.

I recognize there is some favoritism by owners. I mean, they spend millions of dollars on these teams and one of the perks seems to be hanging with the players. It just seems that, with DS, some of the players are given elevated status b/c they have the ear of the owner (clearly, this was also true of M. Vick). I suppose I would not be surprised that other owners have their "favorites" who coaches must treat differently for fear of the owner. Are there also owners (other than Crazy Al in Oakland) who are also play "unfavorites" the way Danny does?

SmootSmack · 10-13-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I recognize there is some favoritism by owners. I mean, they spend millions of dollars on these teams and one of the perks seems to be hanging with the players. It just seems that, with DS, some of the players are given elevated status b/c they have the ear of the owner (clearly, this was also true of M. Vick). I suppose I would not be surprised that other owners have their "favorites" who coaches must treat differently for fear of the owner. Are there also owners (other than Crazy Al in Oakland) who are also play "unfavorites" the way Danny does?

What do you mean?

GTripp0012 · 10-13-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You're with me!

The favoritism element is not exclusive to the Redskins. So I don't expect that would change.

What we really need is more restraint. I think Snyder (and I mentioned this in another thread) will do whatever it takes to get whoever he wants, Vinny wants, Zorn wants, Blache wants, Bugel wants, Gibbs wants, Saunders wants, and so on. And to an extent that's great, you want an owner who will not hesitate to get you what you need.

At the same time though, someone has to be the "dad" here and be the disciplinarian. Then maybe this time next year we wouldn't be wondering how come Campbell, Duckett, Taylor, and Lloyd aren't here anymore...and neither are a first, second, three thirds, and fourth and a sixth

That, and I was wondering: the reports that Snyder was livid after the game might be erroneous, and they might not be, but why? Why the heck is the owner livid? Because we gave up a 15 point 3rd quarter lead to a bad team under a coach who had been, historically, very good at holding leads?

If the owner is going to be involved, he needs to be completely emotionless and detacted from outcomes. It's right for the coaches to be livid, the fans to be livid, even the G.M. for a few minutes before getting back to work. The owner can not be so attached to winning and losing without compromising his decision making. And given the quality of Snyder's decision making over the years, I'd argue he's been quite compromised.

A good owner responds to winning and losing exactly the same way, by trying to make his investment better in the long-run. Snyder of all people should not be riding the emotional roller coaster of the season. At the end of the day, that's Jerry Jones' biggest flaw.

JoeRedskin · 10-13-2009, 02:19 PM

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A good owner responds to winning and losing exactly the same way, by trying to make his investment better in the long-run. Snyder of all people should not be riding the emotional roller coaster of the season. At the end of the day, that's Jerry Jones' biggest flaw.

Exactly! Well put.

Monkeydad · 10-13-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

It's not Snyder's football acumen that I detest - I am with Smoot (I think) in that I believe our talent aquisition has not been that bad with the glaring example of the OLine.

It's Snyder's favoritism and pettiness that I think muddle the pie. If I'm the new coach, I would say - "Mr. Snyder, if I find my guys hanging out with you, calling you, or in any way interacting with you in a way I have not approved, I will cut them. Then you can pal around with them all you like. I don't care if its the QB you personally recruited during the FA signing period. Consider it a 'non-fraternization policy'. You want to speak to the team on occasion - hey fine as long as it is to the ENTIRE team and not just one or two guys."

Obviously, Snyder would never go for that.

The new coach would be fired.

SBXVII · 10-13-2009, 01:53 PM

Logic would say that Smith or Gray should be candidates until seasons end. But.....

Gray is a defensive coach and the defense is doing rather well right now. Smith is an offensive coach has only coached at the college level prior to here. Plus some say he does not know Zorn's offense well enough to call plays.

If a change is made logically it would be made at the break except for the fact that after the Detroit game DS ran/flew to Denver to speak with Shanahan. Reports were he was pissed off that we lost. If this is even remotely true then the best candidate to relieve Zorn would be a WCO guru who also studied under Holmgren. Which is why I think Gruden is DS's main choice. He's hoping that there will not be much of a scheme change and that the system can be tweeked enough to start winning games. Holmgren would be a good choice as well.

I know the NFC East has to be a major want on any Coach's wish list due to it being so hard but if I were Gruden I would also tell DS I would take the job so long as Cerrato is gone. Force DS to change up the front office as it should be or have fun trying to pick up any decent HC. Let him realize no one wants to work with Cerrato and no one wants him meddling with what they are trying to accomplish.

10-12-2009, 02:27 PM	#1
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 43 Posts: 2,762	Re: Gray, Smith likely interim coach choices "The front office of this team, as presently constructed, will never permit the Redskins to be a truly good team for any decent period of time." So true. So sad. __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

10-13-2009, 01:09 PM	#2
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 46 Posts: 4,628	Re: Gray, Smith likely interim coach choices Could be as early as next Monday if the Skins decide to give another winless team their first victory of the season, but I would imagine that Zorn's done by the final whistle of the Eagles game. I'd imagine Sherman Smith would be out as well, with Sherm Lewis taking over as offensive coordinator. Gray or Smith can lead the sinking ship into the depths of the NFC East basement. The only way the Redskins will ever completely start over is if Snyder decides to put his massively large ego aside and hire a football man to be his GM and let said GM call the shots. Until that day happens (I've yet to hear about hell freezing over or see pigs flying), it really won't matter who Snyder pays to be head coach, they will be limited by what the Front Office wants to do. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

10-13-2009, 01:43 PM	#8
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Gray, Smith likely interim coach choices It's not Snyder's football acumen that I detest - I am with Smoot (I think) in that I believe our talent aquisition has not been that bad with the glaring example of the OLine. It's Snyder's favoritism and pettiness that I think muddle the pie. If I'm the new coach, I would say - "Mr. Snyder, if I find my guys hanging out with you, calling you, or in any way interacting with you in a way I have not approved, I will cut them. Then you can pal around with them all you like. I don't care if its the QB you personally recruited during the FA signing period. Consider it a 'non-fraternization policy'. You want to speak to the team on occasion - hey fine as long as it is to the ENTIRE team and not just one or two guys." Obviously, Snyder would never go for that. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

10-13-2009, 01:53 PM	#15
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Gray, Smith likely interim coach choices Logic would say that Smith or Gray should be candidates until seasons end. But..... Gray is a defensive coach and the defense is doing rather well right now. Smith is an offensive coach has only coached at the college level prior to here. Plus some say he does not know Zorn's offense well enough to call plays. If a change is made logically it would be made at the break except for the fact that after the Detroit game DS ran/flew to Denver to speak with Shanahan. Reports were he was pissed off that we lost. If this is even remotely true then the best candidate to relieve Zorn would be a WCO guru who also studied under Holmgren. Which is why I think Gruden is DS's main choice. He's hoping that there will not be much of a scheme change and that the system can be tweeked enough to start winning games. Holmgren would be a good choice as well. I know the NFC East has to be a major want on any Coach's wish list due to it being so hard but if I were Gruden I would also tell DS I would take the job so long as Cerrato is gone. Force DS to change up the front office as it should be or have fun trying to pick up any decent HC. Let him realize no one wants to work with Cerrato and no one wants him meddling with what they are trying to accomplish.

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