WP: Haynesworth will skip minicamp, wants trade

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I just hate this whole thing. Seriously, think of the worst thing that could possibly happen to you and then ask yourself if you'd take forty million dollars for it...99% of us would at least CONSIDER it. BUT THIS IS HIS JOB.

He became the highest paid defensive player in history and then wants to jump ship because things are different. What a bitch.

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[JoeRedskin]

There are many qualities Shanahan exhibited in his tenure at Denver that were less than laudatory - tremendous ego, blame shifting, personnel choices...

Being a wuss-assed coach afraid of his players was NOT one of those qualities.

Big Al is gonna be the Big Loser in this one. I was fine with him missing voluntary camp, hey, it's voluntary. But this is the big FU to Shanahan and Allen. Give it a shot Al, see how it works for you. Allen has already said he never would have signed Haynesworth for the deal he got from [blechhh] Cerrato. I just don't see Shanahan and Allen caring what Haynesworth chooses to do.

(BTW - Whenever I think of Cerrato, I throw up a little. Anyone else have this reaction?)

I just don't see Haynesworth forcing a trade on anything other than Shanahan's terms - i.e. salary cap relief and quality picks &/or players. IMHO Shanallen will gladly let Al pay back his bonus in fines.

"It's going to be a distraction" - Oh really?? Not to anybody who wants to stay on the roster. Al: "I am not going to play for you!"; Shanallen: "Okay, but u aint playing for anybody else either. Anybody else 'not want to play' for me? There's the door."

Haynesworth thinks he is drawing a line in the sand. Hey Al, got news for you, Shanahan was playing hardball when you playing Pop Warner ball.

Al is dead to me. I hope they just back burner him and proceed as if he wasn't even on the team. F' him.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

There are many qualities Shanahan exhibited in his tenure at Denver that were less than laudatory - tremendous ego, blame shifting, personnel choices...

Being a wuss-assed coach afraid of his players was NOT one of those qualities.

Big Al is gonna be the Big Loser in this one. I was fine with him missing voluntary camp, hey, it's voluntary. But this is the big FU to Shanahan and Allen. Give it a shot Al, see how it works for you. Allen has already said he never would have signed Haynesworth for the deal he got from [blechhh] Cerrato. I just don't see Shanahan and Allen caring what Haynesworth chooses to do.

(BTW - Whenever I think of Cerrato, I throw up a little. Anyone else have this reaction?)

I just don't see Haynesworth forcing a trade on anything other than Shanahan's terms - i.e. salary cap relief and quality picks &/or players. IMHO Shanallen will gladly let Al pay back his bonus in fines.

"It's going to be a distraction" - Oh really?? Not to anybody who wants to stay on the roster. Al: "I am not going to play for you!"; Shanallen: "Okay, but u aint playing for anybody else either. Anybody else 'not want to play' for me? There's the door."

Haynesworth thinks he is drawing a line in the sand. Hey Al, got news for you, Shanahan was playing hardball when you playing Pop Warner ball.

Al is dead to me. I hope they just back burner him and proceed as if he wasn't even on the team. F' him.

Well said, and exactly how I feel as well (unless he shows up tomorrow and makes nice with MS)

[MTK]

Hope he enjoys the fines

[Ruhskins]

I love how people are focusing on the player, yet this will signify a major fail by this organization....I would say both from the previous and current regimes.

To begin, I would say that AH is a major dick for doing this, but there is nothing we can do about this and in the end his reputation will take a major hit.

However, I fault this whole situation on the team for: 1. Paying a ton of money for a player that had some discipline issues (last regime). 2. Completely changing the defensive scheme that would make the team's most expensive player into something completely different (NT); and not trading him before the draft (this is whole on the current regime).

Now teams are going to low-ball the Redskins, because he has become a problem child for the team. Regardless, all parties are at fault and all lose something...well except AH who earned 21 mil. for playing a few games last season.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I love how people are focusing on the player, yet this will signify a major fail by this organization....I would say both from the previous and current regimes.

To begin, I would say that AH is a major dick for doing this, but there is nothing we can do about this and in the end his reputation will take a major hit.

However, I fault this whole situation on the team for: 1. Paying a ton of money for a player that had some discipline issues (last regime). 2. Completely changing the defensive scheme that would make the team's most expensive player into something completely different (NT); and not trading him before the draft (this is whole on the current regime).

Now teams are going to low-ball the Redskins, because he has become a problem child for the team. Regardless, all parties are at fault and all lose something...well except AH who earned 21 mil. for playing a few games last season.

This is the final nail in the coffin hopefully for the Danny in having a major say in football operations, other than signing the checks. The guy cost us a good decade almost right off the bat. He fired Norv midseason, when the man still had a winning record and a shot at the playoffs, made good with getting Marty, but canned him since he wanted more control, then hired gimmick HCs in Spurrier, then Gibbs(who was out of the game for over a decade), then hired a moron for HC. He gave millions to the new "Wheeze Kids" during the last days of the Turner era, and of course we can't forget the lousy drafts. I mean who could manage to screw up when you have 2 first rounders?( I know hindsight is 20/20, but you know JC and Rogers never lived up to their billing)

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I love how people are focusing on the player, yet this will signify a major fail by this organization....I would say both from the previous and current regimes.

...

However, I fault this whole situation on the team for: 1. Paying a ton of money for a player that had some discipline issues (last regime). 2. Completely changing the defensive scheme that would make the team's most expensive player into something completely different (NT); and not trading him before the draft (this is whole on the current regime).
Now teams are going to low-ball the Redskins, because he has become a problem child for the team. Regardless, all parties are at fault and all lose something...well except AH who earned 21 mil. for playing a few games last season.

Sorry, this is a true Snyderrato. Shanahan and Allen came in and said - "Here's how we're playing the game. I am the coach, he's the GM and we decide what's best for the team. The inmates are no longer running the asylum. Get on board with that now." Who's to say Haynesworth wouldn't be a kick ass NT if he tried? Guess we will never know.

As for trading AH, F that. AH wanted to pull a Cutler on Shanahan and Shanny said "Nope."

I got nooooo problems with how Shanahan has handled it. Coaches rule, Players drool.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Sorry, this is a true Snyderrato. Shanahan and Allen came in and said - "Here's how we're playing the game. I am the coach, he's the GM and we decide what's best for the team. The inmates are no longer running the asylum. Get on board with that now." Who's to say Haynesworth wouldn't be a kick ass NT if he tried? Guess we will never know.

As for trading AH, F that. AH wanted to pull a Cutler on Shanahan and Shanny said "Nope."

I got nooooo problems with how Shanahan has handled it. Coaches rule, Players drool.

I'm sorry but I am not OK on how Shanahan has handled this. Unless, he pulls a great trade (i.e.: AH for Mankins, or AH for Jamal Brown, etc., etc.) nothing is going to help us this season. Shit, at least a 3rd rounder could have gotten us a player in this year's draft.

If this is not resolved, at least the team can fine AH and try to get some of their money back. Otherwise, even if his fat ass sits on a bench, that does nothing positive for the team.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sorry but I am not OK on how Shanahan has handled this. Unless, he pulls a great trade (i.e.: AH for Mankins, or AH for Jamal Brown, etc., etc.) nothing is going to help us this season. Shit, at least a 3rd rounder could have gotten us a player in this year's draft.

If this is not resolved, at least the team can fine AH and try to get some of their money back. Otherwise, even if his fat ass sits on a bench, that does nothing positive for the team.

Pull off a "great trade" b/c the player demands it?? I call BS. AH cost us the Skins nothing but Snyder's money (Cry me a river on that one). AH is not going to make or break this season. Clearly Shanallen have been planning for this contingency (How many DT's did we sign?).

Shanahan is telling the rest of the team - "I decide, nobody else - so you better get on board." Ultimately, that is a vast improvement over past years. If I am Shanny, the only way I trade AH is if we get a stone cold stellar offer otherwise it looks like I am caving. Not gonna happen (stellar offer or Shanny caving).

You would rather players be allowed to bitch there way out of playing how the coach's wants them too? (Santana: "I am the number one WR or I don't play"; CP: "Either I am a three down back or trade me"; Los: "I am the starting CB or trade me", etc. etc. etc.).

Sorry, whether it's where, how or when they play or if they are even part of the team, coach's dictate to the players. Not vice versa.

[GMScud]

And for all the people who said him missing voluntary workouts was no big deal.... This guy is a gigantic pile of shit. And he got $32M from us for playing in 12 games. This is irreconcileable at this point. Even if he is a Redskin this year, he'll be a fat, lazy, half-assed player. By that I mean he'll be himself.

And what really sucks is we're not gonna get any value for him.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sorry but I am not OK on how Shanahan has handled this. Unless, he pulls a great trade (i.e.: AH for Mankins, or AH for Jamal Brown, etc., etc.) nothing is going to help us this season. Shit, at least a 3rd rounder could have gotten us a player in this year's draft.

If this is not resolved, at least the team can fine AH and try to get some of their money back. Otherwise, even if his fat ass sits on a bench, that does nothing positive for the team.

Sometimes principles take precedence over logic.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Sorry, this is a true Snyderrato. Shanahan and Allen came in and said - "Here's how we're playing the game. I am the coach, he's the GM and we decide what's best for the team. The inmates are no longer running the asylum. Get on board with that now." Who's to say Haynesworth wouldn't be a kick ass NT if he tried? Guess we will never know.

As for trading AH, F that. AH wanted to pull a Cutler on Shanahan and Shanny said "Nope."

I got nooooo problems with how Shanahan has handled it. Coaches rule, Players drool.

Shanny doesn't lose Joe, Snyder does, so SHanny can do whatever he wants. This is Snyder's wakeup call and he alone will eat the money. It is a hard lesson for him, but the man deserves it to be honest. In the end Shanny does need to trade AH, even if just for a 1-3 round draft pick(s). Like the housing market, you can't expect to get a fair deal with such an overpriced asset. Snyder was a total dumbass for paying the man $100 million. Not even Lawrence Taylor in his prime was worth that kind of money!!!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Shanny doesn't lose Joe, Snyder does. This is Snyder's wakeup call and he alone will eat the money. It is a hard lesson for him, but the man deserves it to be honest. In the end Shanny does need to trade AH, even if just for a 1-3 round draft pick(s). Like the housing market, you can't expect to get a fair deal with such an overpriced asset. Snyder was a total dumbass for paying the man $100 million. Not even Lawrence Taylor in his prime was worth that kind of money!!!

Shanny will lose if the defense sucks and the team sucks, because his move to the 3-4 will be brought into question.


Anyway, anybody know what the monetary fines are for players that hold out from mandatory camp and the regular season? Hell, at least we would get some money back.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I love how people are focusing on the player, yet this will signify a major fail by this organization....I would say both from the previous and current regimes.

To begin, I would say that AH is a major dick for doing this, but there is nothing we can do about this and in the end his reputation will take a major hit.

However, I fault this whole situation on the team for: 1. Paying a ton of money for a player that had some discipline issues (last regime). 2. Completely changing the defensive scheme that would make the team's most expensive player into something completely different (NT); and not trading him before the draft (this is whole on the current regime).

Now teams are going to low-ball the Redskins, because he has become a problem child for the team. Regardless, all parties are at fault and all lose something...well except AH who earned 21 mil. for playing a few games last season.

There is no defending this fat sack of shit anymore. Yeah we shouldn't never signed this loser but he signed a contract. Had he done his homework he would've known that Zorn was a lame duck, he would've known that Snyder isn't patient w/ coaches. And Kris Jenkins isn't bitching about playing NT after being a 4-3 tackle in Carolina. It's the NFL, shit changes. See this shows me how dumb this guy is. Change happens in any line of work all the time. Deal with it fat boy. You took the money.

[mooby]

You know up until I heard this I was totally on the "hey he's just missing voluntary camp, and if he's been working out with his personal trainer and trying to get back to his dominant form than I don't see that as a huge deal. As long as he ends up playing and having a good season for us I don't care" bandwagon. Now I'm solidly on the "f this fat fuck" bandwagon. It's a straight bitch move to wait until the day before the mandatory minicamp to announce you were lying and you ain't attending shit, mandatory or not. I hope you get traded as long as we get decent value back (I'm fine with a 2nd rounder), or in the event you don't get traded, I hope we sit your ass the entire year and I hope you go on to have a miserable career while you piss away all the money you took from us and then end up in horrible debt like so many other pro athletes once they've retired.

Or in the event you come to your senses and you act like a man and do the job you are getting paid to do, well then I will admit I overreacted and obviously let it go. But I doubt that's gonna happen, that's just a gut feeling.