Is Jason Campbell Accountable for this Loss?

firstdown · 11-26-2007, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dgack

I do want to say that I don't think he should get a free pass. He made some bad decisions and it's cost him two games. But a lot of young QB's make bad decisions, and most of the time bad decisions by young QB's are death by a thousand papercuts, to the point where your team just flat out gets killed.

Jason's mistakes have cost the team games, but only after his *good* decisions gave the team a chance to win them in the first place.

Good play is just fine if you don't wast it on a couple of bad plays. If a QB throws 10 great passes to lead a team down field then throws a pick on the last play then those 10 other passes were wasted. The problem I see is that he keeps repeating the same mistake and not learing from them.

desperadoinfl · 11-25-2007, 04:30 PM

I like when people get pissed at what I or others have to say. It is called a discussion and it should inspire thought and emotion. We are passionate about our team and entitled to say how we feel. I will not insult the opinion or intelligence of others. I will voice how I feel about a topic. Stop babying Jayson. He is a professional and paid well. No matter how well I do my job, if I screwed up as much as he did I would be I would be held accountable. When the game was on the line he failed. Thank God we have a defense.

dgack · 11-25-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by desperadoinfl

Thank God we have a defense.

Oh, you mean the defense that rolled over in the Dallas game, that Jason had to bail out! Right.

MTK · 11-25-2007, 04:31 PM

F off with the Ramsey comparisons. He doesn't even belong in this conversation.

saden1 · 11-25-2007, 05:30 PM

Everyone is accountable. The first pick JC threw was not his fault. Barber read the play, faked one way and broke on the ball. These plays are designed plays and it's not like he is calling his own plays. These are timing plays and JC's job is to throw the ball to a spot and he threw it to the right spot.

As for the final pick, that was definitely his fault and should be accountable for it. He could have thrown the ball away instead of just chucking it.

The turnovers were killers and I can honestly say only the last pick can be attributed to JC.

Rhaamses · 11-25-2007, 04:46 PM

I am mad but not worried. Remember when JC took his first snaps from center and it looked like he was squating down on the crapper? When when the kid would not look over the entire field? Remember when he could not call an audible? Remember when he started to call play in the no huddle? Remember two week ago when he started to pump fake before throwing? There is a good upside for this kid. He may be the least of my player personnel worries. He will take the glory and will take some of the blame. He and we will be OK. Buffalo and Chicago at home, Giants and Minnesota on the Road and closeout with Dallas. I thought we would be 9-7 (also thinking that would win this division). It is possible to meet this or 10-6 but execution has to improve.

memphisskin · 11-25-2007, 05:01 PM

Campbell did throw a bad pick on the last play of the last two games, but both he and the Skins will be better because of it. Because we've gotten no traction in the run game the last two weeks, we've been forced to put it on JC. Without a deep threat we struggle to generate explosive plays, when JC is nickel and diming it down the field he's going to make a mistake or two.

But lets be real, we had 6 turnovers and still had a chance to win at the end. We're good enough to be a playoff team, if we can ever get out of our own way.

Vulta121 · 11-25-2007, 05:11 PM

He is but we can't deny how much better he is getting. Lets hope his memory is short term and doesn't blame himself and take it to hard. Because this kid is good and he has potential to become a pro-bowler.

Twilbert07 · 11-25-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulta121

He is but we can't deny how much better he is getting. Lets hope his memory is short term and doesn't blame himself and take it to hard. Because this kid is good and he has potential to become a pro-bowler.

I'm not sure Campbell is getting better. I fear he is becoming turnover prone. He reminds me a little of Patrick Ramsey: Move the ball, get lots of passing yards and then throw an INT. Campbell will be a decent QB, but he has to stop turning the ball over. How many lost fumbles does he have this year?

Southpaw · 11-25-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilbert07

I'm not sure Campbell is getting better.

His completion percentage is up, and so is his yardage. I'm perfectly fine with him receiving some of the blame for the loss, but when people start acting like he needs to be replaced, it pisses me off. What are you people expecting? Every quarterback makes mistakes. This quarterback in particular is still young, and playing with a patchwork offensive line and a makeshift receiving core. The supposed "top two" receivers can't stay healthy, and one drops half the balls thrown his way.

And honestly, those picks are lumps he has to take. Campbell is very good in a two minute offense and in the red zone. Almost too good for his own good. Throwing the picks will help him to learn that he can't do EVERYTHING. It just sucks that it happens with the game on the line, but it is something he will learn from.

And let's not forget, the Bucs have the #1 defense in the NFC. They've made a lot of more established quarterbacks look bad too.

Cowell · 11-25-2007, 06:01 PM

Yes Jason is accountable for this loss. I don't think it is all his fault but our defense gave him 2 chances at the end of the game and he through 2 passes right to the Bucs. That just won't cut it.

Twilbert07 · 11-25-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

His completion percentage is up, and so is his yardage. I'm perfectly fine with him receiving some of the blame for the loss, but when people start acting like he needs to be replaced, it pisses me off. What are you people expecting? Every quarterback makes mistakes. This quarterback in particular is still young, and playing with a patchwork offensive line and a makeshift receiving core. The supposed "top two" receivers can't stay healthy, and one drops half the balls thrown his way.

And honestly, those picks are lumps he has to take. Campbell is very good in a two minute offense and in the red zone. Almost too good for his own good. Throwing the picks will help him to learn that he can't do EVERYTHING. It just sucks that it happens with the game on the line, but it is something he will learn from.

And let's not forget, the Bucs have the #1 defense in the NFC. They've made a lot of more established quarterbacks look bad too.

I am a big Campbell fan. I bought his jersey before last year's season when Brunell was the starter. In fact, there's no "J" on it because it was before we signed K. Campbell.

That said, I expect him to learn from his mistakes. We all read and admired how he cried after last week's game-losing interception. To make the same mistake twice in three minutes today shows he did not learn how to look off the hot receiver, run or throw away the ball.

If it comes down to the same situation next week, would he throw another INT? I want him to start learning how to win games during the last minute, not come close but lose.

BrunellMVP? · 11-25-2007, 05:33 PM

he def. shoulders a good deal of the L, but the turnovers in the first half absolutely killed us...

I love campbell bc he gives me hope. He gives me confidence that we can convert 3rd and anything...yet he's killing me with his now routine (??) choking in the redzone...he seems to panic...which is not unexpected given his tenure, however, perhaps we've overhyped his composure.

there is hope- just not really for this season...though i will continue to think we can run the table..

Gibbsmeatitle#1 · 11-25-2007, 05:51 PM

Right now Campbell, on his own, is good enough to "just" lose the big game when the pressures on. What he needs right now is another horse to shoulder the burden. Unfortunately, most of our marquis offensive players are suffering from aperiodic manopause that causes them to lose control of their extremities at key points in the game. There has got to be a pill out there to help. Doctors, quacks, anybody? Help us. Please.

memphisskin · 11-25-2007, 06:10 PM

If Jason shoulders the blame, then who is he letting down? His wideouts dropped 4 passes in the first half, the running game is going nowhere, and the blocking is sporadic at best. We're getting no explosive plays, very little run after catch, and no one outside of Campbell making a play. So yeah, lets blame the one guy on the team who has shown some improvement. Or we could look around at the other skill positions and wonder when they're going to start pulling their own weight. I blame Moss, Portis, and Heyer for letting the d-end come around and hit Jason at the top of his five step drop.

11-25-2007, 04:30 PM	#2
desperadoinfl Camp Scrub Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cocoa Florida Age: 64 Posts: 16	Re: Is Jason Campbell Accountable for this Loss? I like when people get pissed at what I or others have to say. It is called a discussion and it should inspire thought and emotion. We are passionate about our team and entitled to say how we feel. I will not insult the opinion or intelligence of others. I will voice how I feel about a topic. Stop babying Jayson. He is a professional and paid well. No matter how well I do my job, if I screwed up as much as he did I would be I would be held accountable. When the game was on the line he failed. Thank God we have a defense.

11-25-2007, 04:31 PM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Is Jason Campbell Accountable for this Loss? F off with the Ramsey comparisons. He doesn't even belong in this conversation. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-25-2007, 05:30 PM	#5
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: Is Jason Campbell Accountable for this Loss? Everyone is accountable. The first pick JC threw was not his fault. Barber read the play, faked one way and broke on the ball. These plays are designed plays and it's not like he is calling his own plays. These are timing plays and JC's job is to throw the ball to a spot and he threw it to the right spot. As for the final pick, that was definitely his fault and should be accountable for it. He could have thrown the ball away instead of just chucking it. The turnovers were killers and I can honestly say only the last pick can be attributed to JC. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

11-25-2007, 04:46 PM	#6
Rhaamses Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 562	Re: Is Jason Campbell Accountable for this Loss? I am mad but not worried. Remember when JC took his first snaps from center and it looked like he was squating down on the crapper? When when the kid would not look over the entire field? Remember when he could not call an audible? Remember when he started to call play in the no huddle? Remember two week ago when he started to pump fake before throwing? There is a good upside for this kid. He may be the least of my player personnel worries. He will take the glory and will take some of the blame. He and we will be OK. Buffalo and Chicago at home, Giants and Minnesota on the Road and closeout with Dallas. I thought we would be 9-7 (also thinking that would win this division). It is possible to meet this or 10-6 but execution has to improve. __________________ - *Getting married is very much like going to a restaurant with friends. You order what you want, then when you see what the other fellow has, you wish you had ordered that!*

11-25-2007, 05:01 PM	#7
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Re: Is Jason Campbell Accountable for this Loss? Campbell did throw a bad pick on the last play of the last two games, but both he and the Skins will be better because of it. Because we've gotten no traction in the run game the last two weeks, we've been forced to put it on JC. Without a deep threat we struggle to generate explosive plays, when JC is nickel and diming it down the field he's going to make a mistake or two. But lets be real, we had 6 turnovers and still had a chance to win at the end. We're good enough to be a playoff team, if we can ever get out of our own way.

11-25-2007, 05:11 PM	#8
Vulta121 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Miami Posts: 59	Re: Is Jason Campbell Accountable for this Loss? He is but we can't deny how much better he is getting. Lets hope his memory is short term and doesn't blame himself and take it to hard. Because this kid is good and he has potential to become a pro-bowler.

11-25-2007, 06:01 PM	#11
Cowell Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bluffton, South Carolina Posts: 803	Re: Is Jason Campbell Accountable for this Loss? Yes Jason is accountable for this loss. I don't think it is all his fault but our defense gave him 2 chances at the end of the game and he through 2 passes right to the Bucs. That just won't cut it.

11-25-2007, 05:33 PM	#13
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: Is Jason Campbell Accountable for this Loss? he def. shoulders a good deal of the L, but the turnovers in the first half absolutely killed us... I love campbell bc he gives me hope. He gives me confidence that we can convert 3rd and anything...yet he's killing me with his now routine (??) choking in the redzone...he seems to panic...which is not unexpected given his tenure, however, perhaps we've overhyped his composure. there is hope- just not really for this season...though i will continue to think we can run the table.. __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

11-25-2007, 05:51 PM	#14
Gibbsmeatitle#1 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 156	Re: Is Jason Campbell Accountable for this Loss? Right now Campbell, on his own, is good enough to "just" lose the big game when the pressures on. What he needs right now is another horse to shoulder the burden. Unfortunately, most of our marquis offensive players are suffering from aperiodic manopause that causes them to lose control of their extremities at key points in the game. There has got to be a pill out there to help. Doctors, quacks, anybody? Help us. Please.

11-25-2007, 06:10 PM	#15
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Re: Is Jason Campbell Accountable for this Loss? If Jason shoulders the blame, then who is he letting down? His wideouts dropped 4 passes in the first half, the running game is going nowhere, and the blocking is sporadic at best. We're getting no explosive plays, very little run after catch, and no one outside of Campbell making a play. So yeah, lets blame the one guy on the team who has shown some improvement. Or we could look around at the other skill positions and wonder when they're going to start pulling their own weight. I blame Moss, Portis, and Heyer for letting the d-end come around and hit Jason at the top of his five step drop.

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