Who called the 2nd timeout?

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It really only bothers me when people want to dismiss 2005 when those same people aren't quick to dimsiss our free agent moves in 2000 for example.

As for Gibbs, stupid mistake. He knows it, you know it, I know it. But I am not going to apologize for being a fan of his, and wanting him to stay as long as he wants to stay. In all honesty, he probably never should have come back in the first place. There's nothing he really could have done to improve his image with the fans. He had nowhere to go reputation wise but down. I believe we have the makings of a great QB who is going to lead us to great things long after Gibbs is gone. But no one will ever be appreciative of Gibbs for that.

Those are all good points.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It really only bothers me when people want to dismiss 2005 when those same people aren't quick to dimsiss our free agent moves in 2000 for example.

As for Gibbs, stupid mistake. He knows it, you know it, I know it. But I am not going to apologize for being a fan of his, and wanting him to stay as long as he wants to stay. In all honesty, he probably never should have come back in the first place. There's nothing he really could have done to improve his image with the fans. He had nowhere to go reputation wise but down. I believe we have the makings of a great QB who is going to lead us to great things long after Gibbs is gone. But no one will ever be appreciative of Gibbs for that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm really not trying to discount what we did in 2005. It was awesome. Portis, our O-line, and guys like Sean Taylor led us down an awesome stretch run. I love that Gibbs listened to the call of Portis and the O-line to put it on their shoulders. It was the best time I've had as an adult Skins fan. (I was 12 when we won our 3rd SuperBowl).

I don't like Joe Gibbs any less because of this second tenure. He got our owner to stop meddling, got us some great players including a franchise QB, got us a playoff win, and brought stability to an organization that was in disarray. But for a myriad of reasons it just hasn't really come together on the field. It's unfortunate because he's a great man and a great coach, but as far as wins vs losses it just hasn't worked out.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It really only bothers me when people want to dismiss 2005 when those same people aren't quick to dimsiss our free agent moves in 2000 for example.

As for Gibbs, stupid mistake. He knows it, you know it, I know it. But I am not going to apologize for being a fan of his, and wanting him to stay as long as he wants to stay. In all honesty, he probably never should have come back in the first place. There's nothing he really could have done to improve his image with the fans. He had nowhere to go reputation wise but down. I believe we have the makings of a great QB who is going to lead us to great things long after Gibbs is gone. But no one will ever be appreciative of Gibbs for that.

I am a fan of his too. I love the guy. But as a NFL coach in his 2nd go around he is just not getting the job done. It's as simple as that. I kind of wish he would step down at the end of this year. He doesn't need this. But today I can't blame anybody. I can't imagine what it would have been like to take the field and play a football game today. I give everyone a pass for the rest of this season. It's just a horrible year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I am a fan of his too. I love the guy. But as a NFL coach in his 2nd go around he is just not getting the job done. It's as simple as that. I kind of wish he would step down at the end of this year. He doesn't need this. But today I can't blame anybody. I can't imagine what it would have been like to take the field and play a football game today. I give everyone a pass for the rest of this season. It's just a horrible year.

And that's the thing. You hit it right on the head. He doesn't need this. It's part of why I'm torn about wanting him back. It's purely selfish. I love the man and love that he's a part of the organization but he deserves to relax, and be with his family and his sick grandchild. He owes us nothing.

[mage1960]

The skins are doing what they always do late in the fourth quarter, running out of gas and having a meltdown before losing the game, gibbs need to go back to racing I don't see any improvements at all with his coaching style, and Al Saunders is not helping matters any either, he needs to burn that so-called playbook of his, it ain't helping em win games like it should. What are they gonna do against chicago? The team motto should be Maybe Next Year!

[MTK]

They were going to make the FG anyway. Their kicker is money and stroked the first one through no problem.

The game to me boiled down to another week of redzone ineffectiveness. You can't keep kicking FGs, even if we just got one TD it would have been different game.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

They were going to make the FG anyway. Their kicker is money and stroked the first one through no problem.

The game to me boiled down to another week of redzone ineffectiveness. You can't keep kicking FGs, even if we just got one TD it would have been different game.

You are right, he was making that 51 yd FG or any other length. It was another week of red zone ineffectiveness but dont forget that once again with the game on the line and the D needing to hold they once again blow it. The O put the D in position to secure the W and they dont do it.

[pg86]

wrong...And guys...How many years had joe gibbs been out the league? he was never faced with this before.

U and me probably would of forgot to and btw I don't remember that ever happpening cannot call time outs back to back.......and if it was the rule then he shouldn't of been penalized they should of just been like hey you can't do that. BTW I know hs isn't the NFL and neither is college but Ive seen that done in the NCAA and in CIF play....Im calling bs till I see that rule in writing. and wasn't it a 52 yard attempt? how in the hell is a penalty ever 12 yards to make it a 30. Ive heard of 5 yards and 10 yards and 15 yards...NEVER 12! This isn't all gibbs fault and our mediocre season is not just gibbs fault.

Who's idea was it to bring in Saunders!?

I call for his head everytime I see our offense screw up I been screaming it since last year..Gibbs 2.0 DID not fail Saunders 1.0 did

Go ahead cuss me out about this...but Why is it Gibbs's offense made a 30 something year old qb look good why is it no other coach other than george allen and norv turner has had near the success that gibbs has had??

Go ahead and turn your back on Joe and bring in another steve spurrier....Im not turning my back on the old man just yet...Dan reeves had to take some time to readjust to the nfl So did Bill parcells.

And just because a team is 12-0 does not mean that they are going to win the super bowl, 11-1 doesn't mean there going to win either...I seem to recall a certain 8-8 team that plays in baltimore winning it all one year. You guys want a perfect season out of gibbs you got to remember all those times we were good we werent perfect. What was our record in 82?

Someone find me the rule that says that back to back timeouts are illegal...Please...

[irish]

Originally Posted by pg86

wrong...And guys...How many years had joe gibbs been out the league? he was never faced with this before.

U and me probably would of forgot to and btw I don't remember that ever happpening cannot call time outs back to back.......and if it was the rule then he shouldn't of been penalized they should of just been like hey you can't do that. BTW I know hs isn't the NFL and neither is college but Ive seen that done in the NCAA and in CIF play....Im calling bs till I see that rule in writing. and wasn't it a 52 yard attempt? how in the hell is a penalty ever 12 yards to make it a 30. Ive heard of 5 yards and 10 yards and 15 yards...NEVER 12! This isn't all gibbs fault and our mediocre season is not just gibbs fault.

Who's idea was it to bring in Saunders!?

I call for his head everytime I see our offense screw up I been screaming it since last year..Gibbs 2.0 DID not fail Saunders 1.0 did

Go ahead cuss me out about this...but Why is it Gibbs's offense made a 30 something year old qb look good why is it no other coach other than george allen and norv turner has had near the success that gibbs has had??

Go ahead and turn your back on Joe and bring in another steve spurrier....Im not turning my back on the old man just yet...Dan reeves had to take some time to readjust to the nfl So did Bill parcells.

And just because a team is 12-0 does not mean that they are going to win the super bowl, 11-1 doesn't mean there going to win either...I seem to recall a certain 8-8 team that plays in baltimore winning it all one year. You guys want a perfect season out of gibbs you got to remember all those times we were good we werent perfect. What was our record in 82?

Someone find me the rule that says that back to back timeouts are illegal...Please...

It was Gibbs idea to bring in Saunders.

[MTK]

It seems like anytime an opponent needs a big play with the game on the line the D gives it up. But then again I can't get too upset with them, the offense should have put this game away in the first half.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It seems like anytime an opponent needs a big play with the game on the line the D gives it up. But then again I can't get too upset with them, the offense should have put this game away in the first half.

I agree the O should have put this game away in the 1st half but going into this season I think most thought having essentially a rookie QB would make the O a bit suspect but the D would be great. IMO that meant the D had to do the heavy lifting and often cover for the O. So far they havent done that. In a lot of ways I blame the D more for this loss and most of the losses this season because they were expected to be the reliable aspect of this team and they have not lived up to that expectation.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree the O should have put this game away in the 1st half but going into this season I think most thought having essentially a rookie QB would make the O a bit suspect but the D would be great. IMO that meant the D had to do the heavy lifting and often cover for the O. So far they havent done that. In a lot of ways I blame the D more for this loss and most of the losses this season because they were expected to be the reliable aspect of this team and they have not lived up to that expectation.

Good perspective. My expectations for the offense were pretty low coming into the season and my expectations for the defense were pretty high. The defense has played pretty well despite key losses, but they haven't been dominant like they were in 2004. I do think, however, my expectations for the offense have increased with JC's progress. I guess the O will just have to grow with him. The O-line needs to protect JC better, but he can't keep making mistakes at critical points in the game.

[Paintrain]

If this was ANY other coach that did this, there wouldn't be a supporter on the board making excuses for him. Guys, this is the NFL. You are paid MILLIONS not to make mistakes like this.. (From J. La's blog) Publicly, his players said they were to blame for not making more plays; privately, many veterans fumed and looked at it as another egregious error by Gibbs in a season full of them.

"Come on man, this is the NFL," one veteran said. "What coach don't know the rules?"

When he's on the verge of losing the locker-room for his continued ineptitude don't be singing Gibbs 1.0 and 2005.. 2008 is around the corner, let's get real around here..

You are paid MILLIONS to win games you're supposed to win.. Losing 5 (5!!!!!!!!!!!!!) games with a 2nd half lead this season is completely inexcusable.. For all of the excuses people want to make about execution, the offense should have done this or that, the buck stops at the top!! 1-2 games getting away, it happens.. 3 games, bad luck.. 5 games and 15 in 4 years, inexcusable!!! Anyone who can't see that is either blind or consciously chooses not to see it..

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If this was ANY other coach that did this, there wouldn't be a supporter on the board making excuses for him. Guys, this is the NFL. You are paid MILLIONS not to make mistakes like this.. (From J. La's blog) Publicly, his players said they were to blame for not making more plays; privately, many veterans fumed and looked at it as another egregious error by Gibbs in a season full of them.

"Come on man, this is the NFL," one veteran said. "What coach don't know the rules?"

When he's on the verge of losing the locker-room for his continued ineptitude don't be singing Gibbs 1.0 and 2005.. 2008 is around the corner, let's get real around here..

You are paid MILLIONS to win games you're supposed to win.. Losing 5 (5!!!!!!!!!!!!!) games with a 2nd half lead this season is completely inexcusable.. For all of the excuses people want to make about execution, the offense should have done this or that, the buck stops at the top!! 1-2 games getting away, it happens.. 3 games, bad luck.. 5 games and 15 in 4 years, inexcusable!!! Anyone who can't see that is either blind or consciously chooses not to see it..

I will agree to disagree. I don't understand how the players (the veteran, million dollar players that should know the fundamentals of the game) are constantly let off the hook.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I will agree to disagree. I don't understand how the players (the veteran, million dollar players that should know the fundamentals of the game) are constantly let off the hook.

This is where I think there's kind of mix of blame. Because of course the players are responsible for going out and executing the plays. And often times they struggle with fundamentals. And that's their fault. But Gibbs picks these players, and coaches them, and ultimately the buck stops with him. He even says so himself.

There have been plenty of games where if we don't drop the ball or fumble here, we don't settle for a field goal there, and hey, we would have won. But when the same mix of problems plague a team for nearly 4 full seasons, I think unfortunately we have to label it as a pattern. And the bottom line is Gibbs is the head guy both on the field and in the front office, regardless of whether or not he is completely to blame.