Redskins Win In Appeals Court

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

This list also includes: Canuck, Dutchman, Eskimo, Husky, Jock, Yankee, and my favorite "cheese-eating surrender monkey"

I just noted that Redskins is a racial slur. Im not gonna debate that whole list on which ones you think are worse or not as bad as others.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The druken Irishman sterotype isn't offensive??? If I'm an atheist a team name of Saints pushes religion on me and that's offensive. If I'm a Muslim, especially if playing for them, that Hog on the helmet is offensive.

Maybe it is to some people. I dont think there is anything wrong with fighting irish. Maybe you should poll all the irish and lets find out?

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Interesting how you believe to know how the NAs surveyed by SI think and you state your belief as fact????

Maybe if you read that SI section again you would understand why. I dont think every HS, college, and pro team that has a Indian mascot or team name are called the Redskins. Im only saying the word Redskin is a racial slur.

I understand everything you have said in your posts and you bring up alot of good points. All im saying is I can understand both point of views and that the word Redskin has been used as a racial slur.

[LBrown43]

I say if the name is changed it is changed to the "Washington Human-Beings" in honor of Chief Dan George aka "Old Lodge Skins" in the movie "Little Big Man. A more honorable portrayal of a Native American has never been presented in film. We should all try to strive to be "human-beings". Of course if you have not seen the movie you are thinking this comment is stupid. See the movie....it is awesome.
Also if my memory of the history of the logo on the helmets now is correct, the likeness was an actual portrait of a Native American and not just a dreamed up likeness.
I can sorta see some problem some NA's may have with the name but as far as the logo itself is concerned I see as being nothing BUT a respectful rendition of a proud people.
I fear a name change is inevitable as the country moves closer and closer to complete political correctness.

[SFREDSKIN]

Mike Silver from yahoo sports is a DOUCHEBAG!! I believe 90% of native Americans were not offended (Read it somewhere).

No excuses: Redskins need a new nickname - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheGuyFromOverThere

I suppose to sue the following teams due to the stated reasons:

1 - Buffalo Bills: Named after a famous animal slaughter
2 - Cincinnati Bengals: Tigers eat people. Baaad!
3 - Cleveland Browns: Brown = the political party colour of the right wing in Germany
4 - Piitsburgh Stellers: Steel is needed for weapons production
5 - Jacksonville Jaguars: see 2
6 - Oakland Raiders: Raiders kill people. Baaad!
7 - San Diego Chargers: Lightning Bolts kill people. Baaad!
8 - Dallas Cowboys: Cowboys killed Redskins!
9 - Philadelphia Eagles: I don´t like em. That should be reason enough.
10 - Washington Redskins: known reasons
11 - Chicago Bears: see 2
12 - Detroit Lions: see 2
13 - Minnesota Vikings: Vikings killed poeple. Baaad!
14 - Carolina Panthers: see 2
15 - New Orleans Saints: many people were killed in the name of God and Saints. Baaad!
16 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers: see 6

Well... sueing half the NFL should be lotsa fun, don´t ya think?

Don't let PETA get ahold of that idea, we will end up having the teams like the Chicago Bermuda Grass!

[jsarno]

What doesn't make sense to me is that it doesn't offend anyone anymore other than those that want to harp on it. It was an offensive word back in the 30's, it's no longer an offensive word. If you called an indian a redskin, he would likely look at you with an odd look and walk away. Why not change the definition from something that suggests it's offensive to something that is a positive? Like how the word GAY meant happy back in the 50's, and it somehow changed over the years to mean homosexual now. The word Redskins to me means a tough team that doesn't quit...maybe the new definition should be "A term of endearment referring to longevity and perserverance." Who would complain if that was the definition?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

if anyone is interested.


The Demise and Removal of the Washington Redskins Logo Petition

So a grand total of 48 people have signed this petition and I wonder how many of those are friends of the person who started the the petition. They had a show on several years back about sports teams names and mascots. When they got around to talking about the skins they had one lady who was protesting against them. They showed her going to other native Americans and passing out stuff about the skins and she was trying to organize a protest before one of the games. Most of them did not really seem to care and on the day of her protest she was the only person who even showed up. I will say I was embarrassed for how some of the fans treated her and it was made worse because she was with her kids.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So a grand total of 48 people have signed this petition and I wonder how many of those are friends of the person who started the the petition. They had a show on several years back about sports teams names and mascots. When they got around to talking about the skins they had one lady who was protesting against them. They showed her going to other native Americans and passing out stuff about the skins and she was trying to organize a protest before one of the games. Most of them did not really seem to care and on the day of her protest she was the only person who even showed up. I will say I was embarrassed for how some of the fans treated her and it was made worse because she was with her kids.

In regards to the petition, what if we all signed a petition to KEEP the logo and STOP stupid lawsuits against getting rid of it. Guarentee we'd have more signatures!

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by jsarno

What doesn't make sense to me is that it doesn't offend anyone anymore other than those that want to harp on it. It was an offensive word back in the 30's, it's no longer an offensive word. If you called an indian a redskin, he would likely look at you with an odd look and walk away. Why not change the definition from something that suggests it's offensive to something that is a positive? Like how the word GAY meant happy back in the 50's, and it somehow changed over the years to mean homosexual now. The word Redskins to me means a tough team that doesn't quit...maybe the new definition should be "A term of endearment referring to longevity and perserverance." Who would complain if that was the definition?

From the couple of posts I've read on here from people who actually have some NA blood, it doesn't offend them. I will take their word for it over a bunch of activist's who are always looking for something to be offended over. Nice post jsarno. To LBrown43, I get it. Little Big Man was a fantastic movie.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

The Redskins are a private entity. Things don't have to change just because it offends some people. If the Redskins were a government body then by all means have at it and change anything you like to suit everybody.

Being a private company the Redskins aren't obligated to please every person. It's obviously is not hurting them financially because FedEx is sold out until 3026.

If the American Indians have such a problem with the name then please don't give the Redskins any patronage, including bringing attention to the team with various lawsuits.

The word "Redskin" only gets said more when your lawsuits are broadcast on national television.

There is a law about using trade names that are offensive and thats what they are going after. The law says something like if a trade name is offensive then they will not approve and protect the trade name. So if they win that battle then anyone could use the Redskins name as it would no longer be protected by the goverment. So even if the skins lost the case Dan could still use the name and logo stuff but that would not be smart because so could anyone else who want to sell skins stuff.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

There is a law about using trade names that are offensive and thats what they are going after. The law says something like if a trade name is offensive then they will not approve and protect the trade name. So if they win that battle then anyone could use the Redskins name as it would no longer be protected by the goverment. So even if the skins lost the case Dan could still use the name and logo stuff but that would not be smart because so could anyone else who want to sell skins stuff.

How about "Dirty Dicks" crabs firstdown?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

How about "Dirty Dicks" crabs firstdown?

I don't think he has that filed as a registered trade name or are you asking me if I have been there? Yes I have been to dirty dicks.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by firstdown

There is a law about using trade names that are offensive and thats what they are going after. The law says something like if a trade name is offensive then they will not approve and protect the trade name. So if they win that battle then anyone could use the Redskins name as it would no longer be protected by the goverment. So even if the skins lost the case Dan could still use the name and logo stuff but that would not be smart because so could anyone else who want to sell skins stuff.

Makes you wonder how Supreme Court nominee, Sonia Sotomayor, or for that matter, any current standing Supreme Court judge would rule on the Proud, traditional name of the Redskins! Especially since she has some history with sports rulings:

Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor well known in sports world - MLB - SI.com

I wonder what the final outcome would be.

[nyredskinsfan]

Originally Posted by steveo395

Why do people keep suing the Redskins for their name? Who really cares. Is it really going to make these peoples lives any better if there is no team named the Redskins anymore? If somebody really gets offended that easily I think they have bigger problems.

You forget about the nobel cause factor. Some people have to have something to bitch about, so they find some nobel cause. It doesn't matter that it's a small number of people that are bothered by the name and it doesn't matter that the number of Native Americans (Indians, OMG!!!) who actually SAY they take offfense is miniscule.

[Monkeydad]

Cleveland Browns is much more "offensive" for several possible meanings.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Buster

Cleveland Browns is much more "offensive" for several possible meanings.

Such as?