NFL Network to Review the NFC East Today

[Tahoe Skin]

Just checked. According to http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/daily_sked, Sterling Sharpe Division breakdown for today is the NFC East

7 p.m. and 10 p.m. ET -- Total Access

Do we come out on top?

Sharpe is pretty unbiased I think.

[Hail2theskins]

Still think its too soon to do any predicting, the east is the toughest division in the NFL, all 4 teams have claims to come out on top and i dont care what some "expert" has to say about it. In the end it will come down to the team with the least injuries, best depth and the most determination.

that doesnt mean i wont be watching it, thanks for the update

[Tahoe Skin]

Originally Posted by Hail2theskins

Still think its too soon to do any predicting . . .

Two Words:

Al

Saunders

[Hail2theskins]

Well yeah as much of an impact he will have I thinnk we'll really see Saunders offense in full effect in his 2nd season

[Tahoe Skin]

Originally Posted by Hail2theskins

Well yeah as much of an impact he will have I thinnk we'll really see Saunders offense in full effect in his 2nd season

Yeah, maybe, but how many more games would we have won if we had had Saunders last year. I say we have at least a TD better offense, which means we probably would have had home field advantage for 1 or 2 games.

[Hail2theskins]

valid point, a touchdown better a game, puts us ahead of seattle in the playoffs, KC, Denver and Tampa Bay

[D'BOYZ]

Don't have Network can someone put the major points in the baord that he says of each team

[Daseal]

Made good points about Randel El and Archelleta being fairly bad signings for the price we paid. Pretty much said we haven't improved much from last year. Gave decent reasoning for it. Said Archelleta is a hitter and in our division will be forced to match up vs TEs and he sees that as a huge problem.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Made good points about Randel El and Archelleta being fairly bad signings for the price we paid. Pretty much said we haven't improved much from last year. Gave decent reasoning for it. Said Archelleta is a hitter and in our division will be forced to match up vs TEs and he sees that as a huge problem.

yeah that pretty much summed it up. He didn't even mention Carter or Lloyd though and the impact they are going to have.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Made good points about Randel El and Archelleta being fairly bad signings for the price we paid. Pretty much said we haven't improved much from last year. Gave decent reasoning for it. Said Archelleta is a hitter and in our division will be forced to match up vs TEs and he sees that as a huge problem.

Here's my quarrel with that assesment. What does price have to do with performance. Randle El as a third WR and punt returner and we haven't improved much over Thrash? Isn't Brandon Lloyd an upgrade from Patten? I can agree somewhat about Archuleta being a hitter vs. a cover safety but is he better than Clark? With the way that Williams runs his defense I can't see them utilizing him in coverage much..

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Made good points about Randel El and Archelleta being fairly bad signings for the price we paid. Pretty much said we haven't improved much from last year. Gave decent reasoning for it. Said Archelleta is a hitter and in our division will be forced to match up vs TEs and he sees that as a huge problem.

I have always felt Sharpe was a big time group thinker. He tends to espouse those types of views seeing as he came from the group think training grounds of ESPN.

His points about players for the dollars are somewhat valid if taken within the INproper context. But in our case and a few others it simply takes more analysis than simply looking at it and saying we over-paid. There are basically two strategies for shaping a team's payroll. One involves careful structuring of salaries balanced with reasonable signing bonuses. The other calls for expanded bonuses with minimal initial salaries. The benefits of each can be argued but each basically allows teams to build talented teams. The Skins of course have pioneered the later. When these group thinkers say we over-paid they are looking at total value mostly which is of course often very irrelevant since no player will ever end up making the money of the entire contract. One advantage of this type of contracting is that it does allow you to seemingly pay "more" for players so when they say we over paid we actually in reality based on the context of the Skins contracting structure really didn't. They paid about market price when adjusted for their contracting structure in other words.

As far as not getting much better I am simply perplexed. Our main offensive problem last year was our lack of a 2nd WR. We added 2. Problem solved times 2. Our other offensive issues are lack of overall offensive effectiveness and an aging QB. We adde Saunders which can only be seen as helping the former and there wasn't much to be done about the latter. As far defense goes we addressed our main concern by acquiring a pash rusher of greater value than we have had in years and I am really perplexed by his valuation of Arch. Is he saying what we had was just as good? I think most objective scouts realize Arch is far better in coverage than he used to be and brings a serious upgrade in hitting the the secondary. That is definitely better than what we had.

We were one TD away from the NFC championship. With health we are obvious contnders since we have upgraded at the few spots where we needed.

[Tahoe Skin]

Except that Sean Taylor and Marcus Washington will be covering the TEs.

Adam will be keying on run support!

[Tahoe Skin]

Price is right! (sorry, couldn't resist) Price has nothing to do with performance.

And one other thing FRPLG. Adam's performance in coverage while with the Rams can't be compared with what he'll do in our much more agressive, better disguised defense.

[Hail2theskins]

I am simply hung up on the fact that he was so hung up on randle el as if he was going to be our #2 reciever. He completley neglected the fact that we signed lloyd and he will in my opinion easily be the number 2 next year. Randle El not only brings a better #3 reciever but he brings a lot to our special teams play.

[That Guy]

you value price to production, and for their current production saying we overpaid is fairly valid. we had the space, we got the guys we wanted, but at that price point it WILL limit us more down the road. That's part of why we lead in deadcap, which is a definite competitive disadvantage, but only when other teams are able to load up near the cap limit with better value contracts, otherwise it's a bit moot.

I don't see hwo they can say we haven't improved though.

Lost:
Lavar Arrington
Patrick Ramsey
Ryan Clark
Walt Harris
Ray Brown

Gained:
Al Saunders
Jerry Gray
Andre Carter
Brandon Lloyd
Antwaan Randle-El
Adam Archuleta
Kenny Wright
Todd Collins
Fauria
McIntosh
Havner
Chijioke
more OL/DL depth
better ST players

we have a 5th starter (wynn) on the DL, and besides arrington and ramsey, we have lots of upgrades. OC, DC-DBs, SS, WR #2/#3/#4/#5, TE #2, CB #3, DE #1/#2/#3/#4, DT #3/#4, KR/PR #1, coverage teams.

QB is still a question, OLB is a concern, and our OL depth has no proven starter, BUT at least this year our strong safety won't get bitched by alstott or LT trying to make a game saving tackle.